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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    They are not standard procedure, but I'd imagine one must've been done if it was claimed she drowned... like I said before I didn't follow this case really until the last month of it so I am unaware of when they made the claim she drowned. Diatom tests again though are not standard autopsy procedure.
    I think the problem was that the defense didn't suggest drowning until the day of opening statements. Prior to that point it had never been offered as a public explanation.
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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    All evidence is not circumstantial by definition... where did you get that from? There is direct evidence and circumstantial evidence.
    Eyewitness statements are pretty poor evidence but they tend to hold up in court.
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    An important distinction in the field of evidence is that between circumstantial evidence and direct evidence, or evidence that suggests truth as opposed to evidence that directly proves truth. Many have seen this line to be less-than-clear and significant arguments have arisen over the difference.
    I'm one of the many.
    I suspect this is another argument arisen over the difference.

    Look, "directly proves the truth" is a bankrupt concept. It took years to expel it from the common language of science, apparently we've got a lot more work to do on the front.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Just to be more precise-- the 14th juror said the duct tape was found near the skull, the mandible was still attached to the skull, so they assumed the tape had been on the skull or why was the mandible still attached to the skull? I'm 90% sure that is what I heard him say. The tape could have been on the bag, not the baby's face. THEY heard the entire evidence, WE heard the news clips.
    As for the test for drowning... after it came out in opening arguments-- would the prosecution want to take the chance at that point of testing for drowning?? That would mess their case up if it came up positive -- show biz, folks. Yes, they should have done that test then, but they didn't.
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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
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    I'm one of the many.
    I suspect this is another argument arisen over the difference.

    Look, "directly proves the truth" is a bankrupt concept. It took years to expel it from the common language of science, apparently we've got a lot more work to do on the front.
    Many what? Is there a source on who this "many" is? Let's say that there is a bank robbery. There is camera footage of you entering the bank - that is direct evidence that you were at the bank at the time of the robbery. You're at the ATM drawing money, then suddenly the camera goes out, and the bank is robbed. We cannot find who committed the robbery, but based on the investigations of people who were in the bank, we find that the day after the robbery, you bought a brand new 100,000 dollar sportscar. You tell the agents investigating you were at the ATM and did nothing more. But they can't find anyone else to charge for the robbery, so they decide to charge you. That is circumstantial evidence - it doesn't directly prove that you are guilty of the robbery. Just like Casey Anthony being a ****ty mother, that doesn't prove she killed the daughter.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Many what? Is there a source on who this "many" is? Let's say that there is a bank robbery. There is camera footage of you entering the bank - that is direct evidence that you were at the bank at the time of the robbery. You're at the ATM drawing money, then suddenly the camera goes out, and the bank is robbed. We cannot find who committed the robbery, but based on the investigations of people who were in the bank, we find that the day after the robbery, you bought a brand new 100,000 dollar sportscar. You tell the agents investigating you were at the ATM and did nothing more. But they can't find anyone else to charge for the robbery, so they decide to charge you. That is circumstantial evidence - it doesn't directly prove that you are guilty of the robbery. Just like Casey Anthony being a ****ty mother, that doesn't prove she killed the daughter.
    And to be fair, all of the investigative interviews and depositions overwhelmingly agreed that Casey was an excellent mother prior to that June. Friends, family, neighbors, former coworkers all pretty much all agreed. Financially she wasn't providing, but apparently in terms of her affection, attention, discipline and care...she was spot-on right up until **** got crazy.
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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Right, because the primary care giver of her 2 year old child not reporint her missing, doesn't indicate the primary care giver.
    The searches on the primary care givers computer for chloroform, does not indicate the primary care giver.
    The dead smell in the trunk of Casey, doesn't evidence Casey.
    Casey's diary and partying she did while her 2 year old is gone unreported, doesn't point to Casey.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

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    I understand your frustration Mach
    I'm done, it's run its course. You're right, a lesser charge would have been more appropriate. Who protects us from bad prosecutors again?

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    OMG! has it come to this? We need a law to force parents to report when their child is missing? Are you kidding me? This is really logic on its head, much like Geraldo last night proclaiming that Casey was a good mother.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Casey Anthony Juror Says They Were Sick to Stomach Over Not Guilty Verdict - ABC News

    It can't have been easy. They did the right thing despite their personal gut feelings. They simply did not have enough to convict her.
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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, we need a law that says something is illegal before you can be charged with a crime for doing so. I think that your idea that a criminal is required to talk to the police, even though the 5th Amend of the Constitution says otherwise is foolish. Even worse is your idea that the govt can lock up people for doing something that is not illegal
    My particular feeling is that this girl, is guilty. If not of Murder 1 per se, but Manslaughter, and child abuse. Too bad they didn't have the evidence needed to convict. Our system did work even if we don't like the verdict. Ah well, one more multi millionaire that doesn't deserve it about to be made because of the peoples sick obsessions.

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