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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Suggest, and not confirms? What do you mean by that? I'm dying over here.
    All evidence 'suggests' a particular theory is correct or incorrect. It is up to interpretation whether or not you believe it's sufficient, or not.
    For example, even hard science is considered "falsifiable", that is, there is no 100% confirmation even about something as obvious as gravity.
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    In the absence of other evidence, the kid was murdered. Tape, bag, lies, chloroform, 31 days, swamp. You think that evidence points to something other than murder?
    I think it points to murder, but when I'm ready to say "she's guilty", I still have the doubt in my mind that wouldn't allow me to convict her.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    Suggest, and not confirms? What do you mean by that? I'm dying over here.
    All evidence 'suggests' a particular theory is correct or incorrect. It is up to interpretation whether or not you believe it's sufficient, or not.
    For example, even hard science is considered "falsifiable", that is, there is no 100% confirmation even about something as obvious as gravity.
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    In the absence of other evidence, the kid was murdered. Tape, bag, lies, chloroform, 31 days, swamp. You think that evidence points to something other than murder?
    Evidence may well suggest murder. That is true. But evidence did not lead to a specific person. That was the problem from the beginning.
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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think it points to murder, but when I'm ready to say "she's guilty", I still have the doubt in my mind that wouldn't allow me to convict her.
    And that is our justice system. We simply can not start convicting people when doubt occurs. We have a bad enough track record of having convictions of people that didn't do the crime, to start convicting on hunches. The prosecution put up a weak ass case, and the jury saw that.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The chloroform and the tape are the only evidence of murder and that's not enough at all.
    The kid is ****ing dead with duct tape, in a bag, in a swamp, unreported for 31 days. WTF kind of evidence do you expect you'd get from someone who wanted to murder someone?
    You want them to leave a note? Good ****ing lord I want liberals on my jury, let me just say that right up front.

    That's absurd. Not reporting her kid missing for 31 days cannot be considered evidecnce someone is hiding oh I don't know, a murder?
    The lies can't are not evidence of trying to get out of a murder conviction?
    The diary and partying and 31 days and lies are not evidence for motive?

    I realize OJ getting off evidenced that people have issues with reality. I naively thought we may have learned something from it.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Evidence may well suggest murder. That is true. But evidence did not lead to a specific person. That was the problem from the beginning.
    Right, because the primary care giver of her 2 year old child not reporint her missing, doesn't indicate the primary care giver.
    The searches on the primary care givers computer for chloroform, does not indicate the primary care giver.
    The dead smell in the trunk of Casey, doesn't evidence Casey.
    Casey's diary and partying she did while her 2 year old is gone unreported, doesn't point to Casey.

    Silly me!

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    The kid is ****ing dead with duct tape, in a bag, in a swamp, unreported for 31 days. WTF kind of evidence do you expect you'd get from someone who wanted to murder someone?
    You want them to leave a note? Good ****ing lord I want liberals on my jury, let me just say that right up front.

    That's absurd. Not reporting her kid missing for 31 days cannot be considered evidecnce someone is hiding oh I don't know, a murder?
    The lies can't are not evidence of trying to get out of a murder conviction?
    The diary and partying and 31 days and lies are not evidence for motive?

    I realize OJ getting off evidenced that people have issues with reality. I naively thought we may have learned something from it.
    I understand your frustration Mach, and share in some of it, but we have to place the blame in this case where it belongs, and that is with the prosecution of this case....I don't think I have ever heard a closing argument that included the phrase "You the jury decide for yourself what fits".... That was jaw dropping for me.

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    To the neglect issue--- it wasn't proven that she was murdered, or that she drowned. It WAS proven that she died. So, how could it be child neglect, when the defense said the child drowned? Can one neglect a child that is dead? I think her Dad took the body, told her it was buried, told her to stick with her story and act normal. I also think her relationship with her father was so bizarre, and she was so mentally ill, that she did what Daddy told her to do. The evidence was not there for murder, and child neglect of a dead child doesn't work, nor could they even get her for child neglect for the drowning, because there was no evidence that she even drowned. What else could the jury really do based on the evidence? I'm sure they will lose sleep over this ...
    That 14th juror guy said the duct tape was not ON the skull, but NEAR it. 3 small pieces. They ASSUMED it had been on the skull because the mandible was still attached. The evidence just was not there. No evidence of how she died, and no evidence of who dumped her. No evidence.
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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by krickitt View Post
    To the neglect issue--- it wasn't proven that she was murdered, or that she drowned. It WAS proven that she died. So, how could it be child neglect, when the defense said the child drowned? Can one neglect a child that is dead? I think her Dad took the body, told her it was buried, told her to stick with her story and act normal. I also think her relationship with her father was so bizarre, and she was so mentally ill, that she did what Daddy told her to do. The evidence was not there for murder, and child neglect of a dead child doesn't work, nor could they even get her for child neglect for the drowning, because there was no evidence that she even drowned. What else could the jury really do based on the evidence? I'm sure they will lose sleep over this ...
    That 14th juror guy said the duct tape was not ON the skull, but NEAR it. 3 small pieces. They ASSUMED it had been on the skull because the mandible was still attached. The evidence just was not there. No evidence of how she died, and no evidence of who dumped her. No evidence.
    Yeah, I know...That happens to me all the time....I hate when some stray pieces of duct tape stick to my mandible when I remove it in the swamp where I have lunch.

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    I have to assume that the coroner checked the body for chlorine in her lungs.

    they did do this, did they not?

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    Re: Casey Anthony Trial: Jury Reaches Verdict

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I think it points to murder, but when I'm ready to say "she's guilty", I still have the doubt in my mind that wouldn't allow me to convict her.
    I accept that you believe that.

    Doubt can be introduced into even the most absurdly obvious facts of reality. Entire schools of philosophy developed techniques to intentionally, knowingly turn a strong argument on its head to elicit just that sort of doubt. We still have a large percentage of the population that is not ready to say evolution is evidenced to be real. I don't entertain the notion that most people can navigate all of that very well. If every jury is simply subject to "doubt", without reasoned discourse, they are doomed to make bad choices. It's been that way for thousands of years, don't let me fool you into thinking I believe it will change any time soon

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