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    Pot and driving:

    Pot and driving: Law enforcers struggle to define impairment level

    It was his green tongue that helped give away Jimmy Candido Flores when police arrived at the fatal accident scene near Chico, Calif.

    Flores had run off the road and killed a jogger, Carrie Jean Holliman, a 56-year-old Chico elementary school teacher. California Highway Patrol officers thought he might be impaired and conducted a sobriety examination. Floresí tongue had a green coat typical of heavy marijuana users and a later test showed he had pot, as well as other drugs, in his blood.

    After pleading guilty to manslaughter, Flores, a medical marijuana user, was sentenced in February to 10 years and 8 months in prison.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    An interesting article. I think it gives some strong evidence for the need to legalize marijuana for medical use (at least) on a national level, and do some serious studies on the effects of it, both short and long term.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    This is what has always been so flawed about DUI and marijuana. A daily smoker can not smoke one day yet a blood test will say that they have smoked pot. They will get convicted for DUI even though they were sober.
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    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    An interesting article. I think it gives some strong evidence for the need to legalize marijuana for medical use (at least) on a national level, and do some serious studies on the effects of it, both short and long term.
    Wait...legalize it in order to test it? The effects of MJ can easily be tested in a laboratory. No need to legalize it just to test it. I'm not a guinea pig.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    This is what has always been so flawed about DUI and marijuana. A daily smoker can not smoke one day yet a blood test will say that they have smoked pot. They will get convicted for DUI even though they were sober.
    So what do you suggest we do about driving while impaired with MJ? Also as one person in the article was saying...

    Marijuana’s main ingredient – delta-9 THC – stays in the blood for an hour or more and then breaks down into metabolites that are both psychoactive and inert. But the impairing effects can linger, even after the THC is no longer in the blood, Huestis said. Because it can be absorbed into body tissue and slowly released for days, Huestis believes that heavy chronic daily users may be impaired in ways that are not yet understood.
    Its quite possible that the (normally) daily user is affected even after a couple of days of not smoking pot.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Pot and driving: Law enforcers struggle to define impairment level



    Good article. I posted just the first 3 paragraphs but you should definitly read the whole thing.
    In a couple of decades of regular use I have never seen or heard of this green tongue phenomenon.

    I don't have any problem with some realistic, honest impairement level being set. Driving while impaired is not cool. I speak up to strangers about it. Any substance.

    Bluntly, and having driven professionally quite a bit, "impaired in unknown ways" sounds like bs to me. A significant number of completely sober people are obviously unsafe behind the wheel, and a friends dad in my youth was a taxi driver who I felt safer in the car with drunk off his ass than I did with my wife cold sober for years. Looking for some "pot smokers are .15% more likely to be involved in accidents due to distractions involving Big Gulps than non smokers" bs is just job security for an industry that is in decline. Drug enforcement. Expensive, doesn't work.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So what do you suggest we do about driving while impaired with MJ? Also as one person in the article was saying...
    I suggest we get it right. How we go about doing that is beyond my expertise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Its quite possible that the (normally) daily user is affected even after a couple of days of not smoking pot.
    I would argue that the amount of the affect would rise to a level that would be considered an impairment to driving.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    a later test showed he had pot, as well as other drugs
    Just wanted to note that.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    If anything we need to keep marijuana illegal and reverse medical marijuana laws. To be honest medical marijuana is just a gateway to legalization and is one of the most absurd "medical" treatments that I can think of.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    This is what has always been so flawed about DUI and marijuana. A daily smoker can not smoke one day yet a blood test will say that they have smoked pot. They will get convicted for DUI even though they were sober.
    Which is exactly what happened to me. Stone cold sober, got pulled over with a eighth of Kush, piss tested and BOOM! got myself a DWAID.

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