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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I've been stoned many a times and rarely was I more conscious. I might have been in a tunnel vision sort of way sometimes. I recall sitting at a concert and not realizing it was raining until well after the fact. As far as "bigger danger" that's really an irrelevant arguement. Both put you at a higher risk of an accident.
    I hope you didn't drive, then? Were you also drinking, by the way?


    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Hungry? I dunno, maybe. I never had the stereotypical munchies and It never gave me more energy. Does it for someone undergoing cancer treatment? I can't say.
    I don't smoke anymore but when I was younger I did. I never got the munchies either. It affects people differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Most drunk drivers make it home safely at the end of the day.
    I already provided the scientific reason for why alcohol is more likely to cause an accident than pot. Alcohol suppresses dopamine receptors, pot does not.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I am not saying pot should be illegal, just that I dont want people driving while high, just as I would rather not have people drive drunk.

    A couple totes or a couple drinks no problem, but doing so while impaired, there is a problem
    How do you define "high"? Right now the law can drag you away if you have detectable levels of THC in your blood, even if you haven't smoked in over a week.

    I don't think we can apply the same methodology to pot as we do to alcohol. They have different standards, affect people differently, and the presence in the body tissues is longer with pot. Up to a month, if I recall.

    What if, hypothetically, you breathe in pot smoke second hand, but never smoked? You could be charged with a DUI in some states.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    How do you define "high"? Right now the law can drag you away if you have detectable levels of THC in your blood, even if you haven't smoked in over a week.

    I don't think we can apply the same methodology to pot as we do to alcohol. They have different standards, affect people differently, and the presence in the body tissues is longer with pot. Up to a month, if I recall.

    What if, hypothetically, you breathe in pot smoke second hand, but never smoked? You could be charged with a DUI in some states.
    So what your saying is just give a pass to anyone driving that has weed in thier system..??

    Look I stopped reading some of these posts because its obvious some of you are either totally naive or being deceptive intentionally
    Marihuana is a psychotropic...it effects motor skills and its a killer....Hardly NO ONE just smokes weed...most weed users are cross addicts or users..coupling weed with alchohol or other drugs...dont even try to pass weed off as harmless please

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    So what your saying is just give a pass to anyone driving that has weed in thier system..??
    All you're proving by asking this question is that you don't know how to read. Sorry that you have literary difficulties

    The gateway theory has been thoroughly debunked many times. It's like saying people who smoke cigarettes are prone to doing other drugs. I'm sure it's true of some but statistically it's not a trend.

    I firmly believe that no matter what intoxicant you are on, you still have basic knowledge of what is happening... i.e. I should or shouldn't get into a car right now. People use alcohol as an excuse to act stupid, and then blame the intoxicant. I've met plenty of drinkers who love to get hammered, but they make accommodations to get home later that don't include driving their own vehicles.

    You can blame the intoxicant all you want but there are still underlying choices that people make, and it's those actions which become affected by the intoxicant.

    In other words, drinking or smoking do not drive people to make stupid choices. It's the people who do that. It's no different than saying guns kill people. Actually, it's people that kill people.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I hope you didn't drive, then? Were you also drinking, by the way?
    I was not drinking. I do not recall if the driver partook or not.

    I don't smoke anymore but when I was younger I did. I never got the munchies either. It affects people differently.
    I certainly can not argue differently here.

    I already provided the scientific reason for why alcohol is more likely to cause an accident than pot. Alcohol suppresses dopamine receptors, pot does not.
    "More likely" is an arguement like a "little bit pregnant" IMO.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    So what your saying is just give a pass to anyone driving that has weed in thier system..??

    Look I stopped reading some of these posts because its obvious some of you are either totally naive or being deceptive intentionally
    Marihuana is a psychotropic...it effects motor skills and its a killer....Hardly NO ONE just smokes weed...most weed users are cross addicts or users..coupling weed with alchohol or other drugs...dont even try to pass weed off as harmless please
    Pot can stay in the system for up to two months. It loses it's effect after a couple of hours. Also, when I smoked weed, I never used other drugs. I don't even smoke cigarettes. You're believing the government propaganda.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Pot can stay in the system for up to two months. It loses it's effect after a couple of hours. Also, when I smoked weed, I never used other drugs. I don't even smoke cigarettes. You're believing the government propaganda.
    I never really did other drugs either. I can't stand cigarette's.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I have driven while high, and found it to be far more frightening a prospect to driving while drunk ( except when really really pissed but not blacked out drunk)
    Did you get in an accident or even come close? Because, that is, after all what matters here. If it personally freaked you out, but in fact did not make you drive dangerously then it has no bearing on the question.

    What Dave described is actually what is most commonly mentioned in studies and one of the cited reasons in said studies for people having far less accidents when driving high than when driving drunk. Also, people in slow-speed accidents tend to come away with far less injury, if they are injured at all. So, even if someone who is high gets in an accident it is likely to be less serious than a drunk-driving accident where the effects make you drive faster and recklessly.

    Some studies do indicate that people who smoke pot are more likely to be in an accident than the average driver, but, as I noted earlier, the levels are still well below someone with a blood-alcohol level below the legal limit or using certain prescriptions. The odds are roughly equivalent to those for someone who is younger or older than the average driver.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    I don't believe that answered my question. Your position seems to be here that driving under the influence of pot shouldn't be illegal as long as you make it home safely. Why the different standard?
    You say that as if I've developed a personal affinity for weed smokers or something. Scientifically: they're different substances completely - of course they can't be weighed on the same 'standards' scale. You're looking at two different substances that affect and intoxicate in different ways and assuming they can be measured the same - and they can't.

    Blood & Urine Drug Testing for Cannabinoids

    Alcohol in the blood is a good determination for how much "under the influence" on person's body and mind is.

    THC levels in the blood simply shows whether or not someone has been exposed to it.

    Most blood and urine tests for the presence of cannabinoids differ from alcohol test results as these measure inactive metabolites of cannabis, and not the active drug itself. Alcohol produces clear dose-related impairment as measured by breath, blood or urine tests. The presence of cannabinoids in urine merely signifies that the person had used or been exposed to cannabis at some point prior to the test.
    Most urine tests only detect an inactive metabolite - THC carboxylic acid. The results for cannabinoid metabolites in urine are of no significance whatsoever in determining intoxication or performance impairment, as the THC-acid is not an active compound, and can persist for many weeks after chronic use. Presence of active drug (i.e. THC - delta-9- tetrahydrocannabinol), or active metabolite 11-hydroxy THC - present in the period shortly following smoking of cannabis) would indicate recent use capable of causing intoxication or impairment.
    Don't debate blind - read up on how THC is stored and processed in the body and then you'll know all about it.

    If we were talking about alcohol - if it's in your system it's affecting you. Your body doesn't store it in it's fatty tissues and the body filters out alcohol in a comparitively short amount of time. If I get plastered tonight I'd pass an alcohol test tomorrow afternoon. If I smoked weed tonight I'd fail a test tomorrow. . . but tomorrow afternoon: am I under the influence of anything? No.

    Regardless: my views don't circle around people smoking it - I could care less and consider it to be a menial 'use' of it . .. it's has far more benefit as purely a supply of fiber and/or medicinal purposes as well as for purification processes (pertaining to contaminated soils - etc)
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You say that as if I've developed a personal affinity for weed smokers or something. Scientifically: they're different substances completely - of course they can't be weighed on the same 'standards' scale. You're looking at two different substances that affect and intoxicate in different ways and assuming they can be measured the same - and they can't.

    Blood & Urine Drug Testing for Cannabinoids

    Alcohol in the blood is a good determination for how much "under the influence" on person's body and mind is.

    THC levels in the blood simply shows whether or not someone has been exposed to it.
    If you read my very first post in this thread made today you would note where I mention that is a problem.


    Don't debate blind - read up on how THC is stored and processed in the body and then you'll know all about it.

    If we were talking about alcohol - if it's in your system it's affecting you. Your body doesn't store it in it's fatty tissues and the body filters out alcohol in a comparitively short amount of time. If I get plastered tonight I'd pass an alcohol test tomorrow afternoon. If I smoked weed tonight I'd fail a test tomorrow. . . but tomorrow afternoon: am I under the influence of anything? No.

    Regardless: my views don't circle around people smoking it - I could care less and consider it to be a menial 'use' of it . .. it's has far more benefit as purely a supply of fiber and/or medicinal purposes as well as for purification processes (pertaining to contaminated soils - etc)
    And after all of that you still refuse to address the question.

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