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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Generally a conversation will do it. You can usually tell when someone is stoned off their ass by talking to them. I can tell even over the phone.
    Yes - if it were legalized then we'd rely on one's actions to determine whether or not they were fit to drive - or responsible for an incident. People think that if it's legalized then we'd have no recourse for dangerous drivers when that's not true at all.

    There are many other things that aren't regulated but do just as strongly effect - probably even more so than the effects of weed - on one's ability to drive such as driving while tired or sick.

    What if you're in an accident because you dosed off behind the wheel? You can still be brought up on charges if you were deemed negligent and at direct fault. It should be your *actions* that matter - not necessarily your blood content or how many hours of sleep you didn't get.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Sorry, totally dismissable bull****. I'd be embarrassed to even claim this.
    I have driven while high, and found it to be far more frightening a prospect to driving while drunk ( except when really really pissed but not blacked out drunk)
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Back during my smoking days, I rarely drove while high but when I did, I was extra careful and hyper aware of everything. And every car was a cop. I don't recommend driving while high, and yet over the counter drugs can be just as dangerous if not more so.
    You can be arrested for operating a car under their influence.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yes - if it were legalized then we'd rely on one's actions to determine whether or not they were fit to drive - or responsible for an incident. People think that if it's legalized then we'd have no recourse for dangerous drivers when that's not true at all.

    There are many other things that aren't regulated but do just as strongly effect - probably even more so than the effects of weed - on one's ability to drive such as driving while tired or sick.

    What if you're in an accident because you dosed off behind the wheel? You can still be brought up on charges if you were deemed negligent and at direct fault. It should be your *actions* that matter - not necessarily your blood content or how many hours of sleep you didn't get.
    Your position is that it should be legal to drive drunk as long as you get home safely?

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Aside from the DUI factor, almost all the negative press on marijuana, including the bunk studies that it 'does nothing', is the direct product of the pharmaceutical industry. They have so much money - so much - that they can fund entire studies within their facilities and produce skewed results, and then publish those results via the newspapers. Corporate research in America is not always subject to peer review.

    Every single person - EVERY one - that I have met who uses medical marijuana for this problems, has had improvement and alleviation of pain and symptoms.

    If marijuana were legalized tomorrow, it would replace a slew of pharmaceutical drugs that are basically poison for the body. It would also open the gateway to hemp, which would replace other industries. I'm telling you, the reason why it's illegal and continues to be, is industry. They will lobby until the cows come home, investing millions of dollars, to stop this native plant from being legalized.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe
    As I've said though. We have the active THC molecule in pill form as dronabinol. It's medically unnecessary to legalize marijuana. And it's medically illogical to approve of a method of delivery that includes bringing into the body carcinogens and other harmful chemicals. I'm not arguing that MJ has no medical benefits. I'm arguing that MJ is unnecessary and we have better alternatives.
    Just wanted to address all of the incorrect points in this.

    Pot is not proven to cause cancer, not in the least. Both the AMA and the British Medical Association have determined that there is no evidence that it causes cancer. Now, absence of proof is not proof of absence, but there is not one recorded case in existence of someone who smoked pot and got cancer. Not one. Every so-called study that finds the cancer link has done research on people who smoke pot and tobacco, so the controls are not effective. The tar can be problematic, as it can lead to a higher incidence of bronchitis, but that's it. No cancer link established concretely, and trust me, I have researched this thoroughly.

    Secondly... pot in a pill is ineffective. THC is only one cannabinoid in the cannabis plant, there are dozens of others, many of which modern science has not even fully examined yet. This is because there is no profit incentive to do so. It's the same reason why there are many people who can't get the same effect from vaporizing; they need all of the active compounds and vaporizing doesn't do that. So, putting one chemical into a pill is a far cry from the whole plant and its entire chemistry. Maybe if we legalized it, we could do better research into all of its components.

    And finally... there are MANY forms of therapy that pot comes in. There are people who use cannabis-based cream to apply to their sore, arthritic joints. It works like a charm. There are people who eat pot in cooked form in order to relax their bodies and offset anxiety. Pot isn't just smoked. It can be taken in many different forms, so even if there is a correlative cancer link, and even if smoking it is controversial, there are many other ways to take it which cannot be possibly be cancerous.

    This is about the pharmaceutical industry and its obscene profits. They don't want this medicine becoming widely available again like it was before the 1920's and the Reefer Madness campaign. They have no right to tell me or anyone what medicine I can or cannot use, and I certainly will not buy their expensive, poisonous crap if I can be using a safe, natural, and stress-relieving alternative.

    People who DUI with pot are taking a big risk, but that has nothing to do with the medical benefits and the freedom of choice in medicine. There is plenty of research that clearly concludes pot is an effective medical treatment. Throwing people in jail for that is a crime against humanity. The War on Drugs needs to end NOW.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    I have driven while high, and found it to be far more frightening a prospect to driving while drunk ( except when really really pissed but not blacked out drunk)
    Ultimately, I think it's stupid to compare pot to alcohol in terms of being under the influence. Alcohol shuts down your brain functions by suppressing the dopamine receptors. Pot does not do that. People become more conscious from smoking pot. It makes them introspective. I have never come across a single person who got violent while smoking pot; compare that to alcohol. I do not believe that pot is as big of a danger in DUIs as alcohol is.

    However... pot gives you what you need. If your nutrition is inadequate, it will make you hungry. If you haven't been sleeping enough, it will make you tired. If you've been sleeping too much, it will give you energy. If you've been hyper, it will calm you down. It's adaptogenic like that. So... if someone falls into the not enough sleep category, then they smoke and drive, they will be a less conscious driver. Compare that to alcohol... where it doesn't matter what your body's state is, it depresses and suppresses your consciousness.

    At the end of the day though, most people can smoke pot and get away with driving. They become more conscientious, and so won't get pulled over. And if they do, it's not hard to fake sobriety as it is with alcohol. If someone gets caught with a DUI for pot, then I say good riddance. It means they weren't listening to their own body after they took the stuff.

    The law should be applied equally to pot as alocohol, but I don't believe the incidence of DUIs due to pot is as high as alcohol.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Your position is that it should be legal to drive drunk as long as you get home safely?
    But yet drinking is legal. Aside that - we weren't actually talking about drinking and driving so I don't know why you are trying apply one view to the other.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Ultimately, I think it's stupid to compare pot to alcohol in terms of being under the influence. Alcohol shuts down your brain functions by suppressing the dopamine receptors. Pot does not do that. People become more conscious from smoking pot. It makes them introspective. I have never come across a single person who got violent while smoking pot; compare that to alcohol. I do not believe that pot is as big of a danger in DUIs as alcohol is.
    I've been stoned many a times and rarely was I more conscious. I might have been in a tunnel vision sort of way sometimes. I recall sitting at a concert and not realizing it was raining until well after the fact. As far as "bigger danger" that's really an irrelevant arguement. Both put you at a higher risk of an accident.

    However... pot gives you what you need. If your nutrition is inadequate, it will make you hungry. If you haven't been sleeping enough, it will make you tired. If you've been sleeping too much, it will give you energy. If you've been hyper, it will calm you down. It's adaptogenic like that. So... if someone falls into the not enough sleep category, then they smoke and drive, they will be a less conscious driver. Compare that to alcohol... where it doesn't matter what your body's state is, it depresses and suppresses your consciousness.
    Hungry? I dunno, maybe. I never had the stereotypical munchies and It never gave me more energy. Does it for someone undergoing cancer treatment? I can't say.

    At the end of the day though, most people can smoke pot and get away with driving. They become more conscientious, and so won't get pulled over. And if they do, it's not hard to fake sobriety as it is with alcohol. If someone gets caught with a DUI for pot, then I say good riddance. It means they weren't listening to their own body after they took the stuff.
    Most drunk drivers make it home safely at the end of the day.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    But yet drinking is legal. Aside that - we weren't actually talking about drinking and driving so I don't know why you are trying apply one view to the other.
    I don't believe that answered my question. Your position seems to be here that driving under the influence of pot shouldn't be illegal as long as you make it home safely. Why the different standard?

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Ultimately, I think it's stupid to compare pot to alcohol in terms of being under the influence. Alcohol shuts down your brain functions by suppressing the dopamine receptors. Pot does not do that. People become more conscious from smoking pot. It makes them introspective. I have never come across a single person who got violent while smoking pot; compare that to alcohol. I do not believe that pot is as big of a danger in DUIs as alcohol is.

    However... pot gives you what you need. If your nutrition is inadequate, it will make you hungry. If you haven't been sleeping enough, it will make you tired. If you've been sleeping too much, it will give you energy. If you've been hyper, it will calm you down. It's adaptogenic like that. So... if someone falls into the not enough sleep category, then they smoke and drive, they will be a less conscious driver. Compare that to alcohol... where it doesn't matter what your body's state is, it depresses and suppresses your consciousness.

    At the end of the day though, most people can smoke pot and get away with driving. They become more conscientious, and so won't get pulled over. And if they do, it's not hard to fake sobriety as it is with alcohol. If someone gets caught with a DUI for pot, then I say good riddance. It means they weren't listening to their own body after they took the stuff.

    The law should be applied equally to pot as alocohol, but I don't believe the incidence of DUIs due to pot is as high as alcohol.
    I am not saying pot should be illegal, just that I dont want people driving while high, just as I would rather not have people drive drunk.

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