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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Funny how they focus on how the guy had smoked pot, yet decided the "other drugs" needed no further elaboration. Since he was using medical marijuana I wonder if any of those other drugs happened to be common prescriptions. Someone who smoked pot right before getting in a vehicle is still considerably less likely to crash than someone who is well under the legal alcohol limit or using certain prescription medication. The same goes for most other illicit substances. Of course, since the pharmaceutical industry dominates the medical research field a study they fund may very well conclude otherwise. The same goes for any government study. However, it will just be the same old "correlation equals causation" arguments our fraudulent scientific establishment has used to shut down any positions they disagree with.

    No need for a legal limit exists when it comes to most illicit substances. However, the notion that it does seriously impair someone's driving ability is used as one of many scare tactics to perpetuate the drug war. Another one is to focus on health effects, especially by making the link that marijuana when smoked has the same effects as tobacco (an ironic argument given the latter is legal). They focus on things produced when smoking it that cause cancer in tobacco smokers while excluding the proven cancer-fighting effect of THC. Studies actually looking at the health of users shoot down all the scary theories about its use.

    Alcohol is the king of deadly substances yet is readily promoted with sports arenas even named after major brands. Yet apparently we are supposed to fear marijuana being legal.
    Couldn't agree more. I wonder what other drugs were in his system.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If anything we need to keep marijuana illegal and reverse medical marijuana laws. To be honest medical marijuana is just a gateway to legalization and is one of the most absurd "medical" treatments that I can think of.
    The effects of smoking it is just one aspect. . . undeniably - it has many alternative (to smoking) uses. I think it's silly to overlook at these many other aspects of it in an attempt to prevent people from smoking occasionally.

    You can give me 2 reasons to keep it illegal - I can give you 30 reasons why it should be grown for it's non-smoking uses.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Anyone who has ever gotten high knows you are full of crap. A scare tactic? Please.
    "Anyone"? I know that is just bull**** on your part. However, the fact is that scientific research has found that the negative effects of marijuana on driving are either negligible or non-existent. Most of the accidents where the culpable party used marijuana involve other, more serious, mitigating factors like alcohol. Yes, it is a scare tactic. The drug war is built on scare tactics that keep people distracted from the reality that the drug war has nothing to do with protecting anyone from the effects of drug use.

    Pharmaceutical companies want to maintain their legal oligopoly on the market for opiates and cannabinoids. Law enforcement want to have surefire ways to keep all them rowdy black youth in check. Intelligence agencies want to preserve the lucrative resources of their organized crime partners. The Military-Industrial Complex wants to keep up its use as a casus belli for intervention against groups threatening American imperial dominance.

    A lot of big interests in business and government have a very strong desire to keep people from sympathizing with legalization efforts and therefore have to keep the populace docile. Thus they make sure their mouthpieces in the establishment media maintain the party line.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    "Anyone"? I know that is just bull**** on your part. However, the fact is that scientific research has found that the negative effects of marijuana on driving are either negligible or non-existent.
    Sorry, totally dismissable bull****. I'd be embarrassed to even claim this.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Here's my true life experience. Sometime between 1971 and 1975, I smoked pot and watched TV (no booze or anything else) with a friend until midnight and then said "i gotta go," the ol' lady will be lookin' for me. I left at 12 midnight and drove the 14 miles home at what I felt was the maximum handling capability of the car. I felt the lean in the corners. I felt I was at maximum cornering speeds. This trip was rural and I'm also watching out for deer, raccoons, possums, etc. I arrived home and the ol' lady was readin' the riot act. Wowser, what's this? It was 4:00 am. The fourteen miles took me 4 friggin' hours and the trip is just as I described in my memory. I never smoked pot and drove after that. That's the whole story, for what it's worth. I know there are big differences between individuals and effects.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Here's my true life experience. Sometime between 1971 and 1975, I smoked pot and watched TV (no booze or anything else) with a friend until midnight and then said "i gotta go," the ol' lady will be lookin' for me. I left at 12 midnight and drove the 14 miles home at what I felt was the maximum handling capability of the car. I felt the lean in the corners. I felt I was at maximum cornering speeds. This trip was rural and I'm also watching out for deer, raccoons, possums, etc. I arrived home and the ol' lady was readin' the riot act. Wowser, what's this? It was 4:00 am. The fourteen miles took me 4 friggin' hours and the trip is just as I described in my memory. I never smoked pot and drove after that. That's the whole story, for what it's worth. I know there are big differences between individuals and effects.
    And this is why laying blanket statements, and trying to enforce overarching laws about those statements, don't work. Just like drunk driving...what's the legal limit? Does anyone know? One beer? Two beers? Should we install tubes that must be blown into in ALL cars sold in the US, in order for the car to be started, like we do in some states with convicted DUIs? And would those tubes work with other drugs, or just booze?

    Not for nothing, the most dangerously I ever drove was when I had about 10 more minutes left to go, and I had to **** like no one's business...
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Here's my true life experience. Sometime between 1971 and 1975, I smoked pot and watched TV (no booze or anything else) with a friend until midnight and then said "i gotta go," the ol' lady will be lookin' for me. I left at 12 midnight and drove the 14 miles home at what I felt was the maximum handling capability of the car. I felt the lean in the corners. I felt I was at maximum cornering speeds. This trip was rural and I'm also watching out for deer, raccoons, possums, etc. I arrived home and the ol' lady was readin' the riot act. Wowser, what's this? It was 4:00 am. The fourteen miles took me 4 friggin' hours and the trip is just as I described in my memory. I never smoked pot and drove after that. That's the whole story, for what it's worth. I know there are big differences between individuals and effects.
    Back during my smoking days, I rarely drove while high but when I did, I was extra careful and hyper aware of everything. And every car was a cop. I don't recommend driving while high, and yet over the counter drugs can be just as dangerous if not more so.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    there has to be a way to test for an impairment level of THC. someone who just smoked might not be safe to drive. someone who smoked yesterday most likely is ok. however, both will test positive for THC. the difference is that the levels will probably be much higher in someone who just smoked.

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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there has to be a way to test for an impairment level of THC. someone who just smoked might not be safe to drive. someone who smoked yesterday most likely is ok. however, both will test positive for THC. the difference is that the levels will probably be much higher in someone who just smoked.
    Not really. THC is fat soluble. How can that be measured?
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    there has to be a way to test for an impairment level of THC. someone who just smoked might not be safe to drive. someone who smoked yesterday most likely is ok. however, both will test positive for THC. the difference is that the levels will probably be much higher in someone who just smoked.
    Generally a conversation will do it. You can usually tell when someone is stoned off their ass by talking to them. I can tell even over the phone.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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