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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If anything we need to keep marijuana illegal and reverse medical marijuana laws. To be honest medical marijuana is just a gateway to legalization and is one of the most absurd "medical" treatments that I can think of.
    If we legalized marijuana there would be no need for medical marijuana laws.

    I find religious doctrine dictating what medical procedures will not be allowed even more absurd.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Any police officer will tell you marijuana is no better than alcohol behind the wheel...most weed smokers are cross addicts...its all made up BS about how wonderful weed is

    Aside from that there is no tolerance with weed, you smoke it your high period. There is no inbetweens no levels...With alcohol you can drink one or two drinks and not be impaired and there are levels of impairment depending on how much you drink....as I said there is no tolerance with weed you smoke it your high period
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    If we legalized marijuana there would be no need for medical marijuana laws.

    I find religious doctrine dictating what medical procedures will not be allowed even more absurd.
    Is it logical to wedge asthma inhalants in cigarettes to deliver the drug by smoking and carying along with it carcinogens? If a doctor thinks THC is beneficial we have dronabinol. No need to inhalte marijuana as a form of treatment.

    As to your second sentence, is this supposed to be a jab against pro-life people?
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If anything we need to keep marijuana illegal and reverse medical marijuana laws. To be honest medical marijuana is just a gateway to legalization and is one of the most absurd "medical" treatments that I can think of.
    I strongly disagree with you here Digs. I know a lot of people who are involved in the legitimate medical marijuana movement and there is simply no truth to the argument that there is no demonstrable medical benefit from pot.

    As someone who is dedicated to cancer research, you should know that pot is great for nausea/lack of appetite associated with chemo. Best result to side effect ratio. And thats the real heart of the issue that is suppressed in the discussion: side effects.

    Many people who use pot to manage chronic pain and other conditions cite this, that the side effects of prescription medications were unacceptable.

    I've seen "studies" that "determined" that pot has no measurable pain relieving effects. But those who use it for this clearly state that it doesn't block or reduce pain so much as "distance" it. Push it out of primary attention.

    As a Schedule 1 drug, no real research has been done in decades.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Is it logical to wedge asthma inhalants in cigarettes to deliver the drug by smoking and carying along with it carcinogens? If a doctor thinks THC is beneficial we have dronabinol. No need to inhalte marijuana as a form of treatment.

    As to your second sentence, is this supposed to be a jab against pro-life people?
    Most of the legitimate medical users use other means of ingestion.

    Eating pot food delivers a more predictable and long term dosing.

    Vaporization eliminates the smome and makes ingestion akin to an inhaler.

    In other words, the smoking issue has been addressed long ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I strongly disagree with you here Digs. I know a lot of people who are involved in the legitimate medical marijuana movement and there is simply no truth to the argument that there is no demonstrable medical benefit from pot.

    As someone who is dedicated to cancer research, you should know that pot is great for nausea/lack of appetite associated with chemo. Best result to side effect ratio. And thats the real heart of the issue that is suppressed in the discussion: side effects.

    Many people who use pot to manage chronic pain and other conditions cite this, that the side effects of prescription medications were unacceptable.

    I've seen "studies" that "determined" that pot has no measurable pain relieving effects. But those who use it for this clearly state that it doesn't block or reduce pain so much as "distance" it. Push it out of primary attention.

    As a Schedule 1 drug, no real research has been done in decades.
    We have medication that can deliver THC outside from smoking marijuana. As i said, we wouldn't put a blood pressure medication or asthma medication in a cigarette to be inhaled along with harmful chemicals and carcinogens.

    I acknowledge the benefits of THC, but I think it's medically unnecessary to expose a patient ti harmful chemicals and carcinogens in the delivery of the drug. I made reference to dronabinol. This is a medication that delivers THC. Marijuana is not necessary.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    If anything we need to keep marijuana illegal and reverse medical marijuana laws. To be honest medical marijuana is just a gateway to legalization and is one of the most absurd "medical" treatments that I can think of.

    Well, you know I support full legalization. Not because I love MJ; I haven't touched the stuff in nearly thirty years and if it were legal tomorrow I wouldn't touch the stuff. My reasons involve excessive LE powers and the general failure of the WoD to produce results, along with hopefully reducing drug-related violence.

    MJ as a pain-management drug for cancer has some plusses. Chemo makes you deathly sick; people on chemo tend not to eat, they get thin and weak, and may just die from lack of nutrition. A lot of pain-meds tend to upset the stomach too. MJ however, tends to make you want to eat. I knew a guy that started smoking weed AFTER he was on chemo for a few weeks, and it helped him eat and keep his strength up. I can't oppose that, can I?
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Well, you know I support full legalization. Not because I love MJ; I haven't touched the stuff in nearly thirty years and if I were legal tomorrow I wouldn't touch the stuff. My reasons involve excessive LE powers and the general failure of the WoD to produce results, along with hopefully reducing drug-related violence.

    MJ as a pain-management drug for cancer has some plusses. Chemo makes you deathly sick; people on chemo tend not to eat, they get thin and weak, and may just die from lack of nutrition. A lot of pain-meds tend to upset the stomach too. MJ however, tends to make you want to eat. I knew a guy that started smoking weed AFTER he was on chemo for a few weeks, and it helped him eat and keep his strength up. I can't oppose that, can I?
    As I've said though. We have the active THC molecule in pill form as dronabinol. It's medically unnecessary to legalize marijuana. And it's medically illogical to approve of a method of delivery that includes bringing into the body carcinogens and other harmful chemicals. I'm not arguing that MJ has no medical benefits. I'm arguing that MJ is unnecessary and we have better alternatives.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    The problem is some people do not care what happens to them or other people because they don't take driving seriously. Years ago when I took drivers ed we had to go through a part of the class for 1 whole day that showed us pictures and video of what happens when people are driving impaired. One that I remember is a man who got in an accident that caused the stick shift to go through his eye socket. Do you know what the students in the class room were doing while this presentation was underway? ..Half of them were sleeping, and the rest put in earphones with music.

    People can scapegoat the substance[s] (especially when it fits their political platform) but the problem is irresponsible drivers who think they are invincible because they passed that 20 question quiz at the DMV.
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    Re: Pot and driving:

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    We have medication that can deliver THC outside from smoking marijuana. As i said, we wouldn't put a blood pressure medication or asthma medication in a cigarette to be inhaled along with harmful chemicals and carcinogens.

    I acknowledge the benefits of THC, but I think it's medically unnecessary to expose a patient ti harmful chemicals and carcinogens in the delivery of the drug. I made reference to dronabinol. This is a medication that delivers THC. Marijuana is not necessary.
    I'm not familiar with dronabinol, but in the past pharmaceutical THC has always been expensive and very narrowly prescribable(sic?).

    I have a great deal of respect for you and I don't think you are a fool or even that we disagree that much.

    However, it goes a lot deeper than smoke as a delivery method. As I said upthread, oral ingestion or vaporization are the preferred delivery methods now.

    More important are recent developments that began as anecdotal and are proving very interesting as they are further researched.

    First is that some of the reported medical/palliative benefits are apparently not from THC but the other cannabinoids. Nausea and Aids wasting syndrome, as well as non-pain neurological issues.

    Also, there are a number of anecdotal accounts of cancers being affected that I believe turned out to be associated with antioxidant properties of the plant itself.

    Pot needs to be rescheduled and properly researched, as well as opened up for non-drug commercial exploitation.

    Vested interests with a lot to lose if this happens are why it has not.
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