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Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

Very little really gets fixed in a flash.

the kaukauna school's budget mess was, the instant collective bargaining was removed as an obstacle thus allowing teachers to be required to pay in to their pensions and health care while simultaneously freeing up the district to shop around for coverage

these are just some of the methods employed by mister bobb in detroit, empowered there by snyder's "martial law," which is why so many in the know, or so i've been told, openly PREFER mister bobb's methods

good thinking, thales
 

Republicans seem to get the fact that if you raise taxes you there is no positive effect on the economy in the long run.

We need people to spend, which would create a demand for goods and services. When taxes go up people have less to spend, if the Tax is against the rich they invest less and if they are in big business are much less likely to hire, and because there is no demand, no reason to expand.

This is all connected together in ways most people don't seem to be able to grasp.

I feel very fortunate to have had so much diverse experiences, that I get it. It makes it frustrating trying to deal with people who only have ideas and no practical in life.
 
Thats true. But I do think we need short term plans and long term plans. Very little really gets fixed in a flash.

Well, we have a point of minor agreement, but I'll take that for now. Although it is a fact that we need to have long term goals that both parties can agree on, but shorter term plans allow for promises of cuts in spending allow for accountability, which in the past the track record of deals made where taxes raise, with cuts in spending have been broken by demo's every time. This time we need to see the cuts in spending first.

j-mac
 
Well, we have a point of minor agreement, but I'll take that for now. Although it is a fact that we need to have long term goals that both parties can agree on, but shorter term plans allow for promises of cuts in spending allow for accountability, which in the past the track record of deals made where taxes raise, with cuts in spending have been broken by demo's every time. This time we need to see the cuts in spending first.

j-mac

J, your mistaken blaming of one party aside (not to mention how you for the role of the voter), you can make those promise in writing, backed by law, with them placed now.
 
J, your mistaken blaming of one party aside (not to mention how you for the role of the voter), you can make those promise in writing, backed by law, with them placed now.

completely incoherent

LOL!
 
What would those be?

We could open up domestic drilling. That's a helluva revenue raiser. You know, people workin', makin' money and stuff.

Oh wait, we're not really interested in actually generating tax revenue, we just want to raise taxes.

Good smoke screen. This balances the budget how? Oil company making high profits helps me how? Does it low gas? Let's see if the Oil companies paid their share then maybe. Wait, the oil rig workers will pay taxes. I get it.
 
they will indeed. Oil companies making profits helps everyone, because 1) millions of Americans own stakes in oil companies and 2) yes, it does lower gas. and yes, they and all of the jobs they will create means increased revenue.
 
I wanted them to expire! But...

I can understand how in today's economic climate it doesn't make sense to take money out of the pockets of hard working Americans or hamper investor's ability to invest. However, since it is very evident that the rich are getting richer and aren't feeling the burden of the economic downturn, it makes sense to tax them to generate revenue since it was Wall Street who is partly to blame for brining this mess upon the country. Congress (particularly under Pres. Clinton's deregulation tactic and GWB for not providing the needed oversight) was the other side to blame, but that mishap has been covered by bank finance reform measures.



You're so full of it, man!

Your side has been the one calling for the President to get involved in the debt ceiling negotiations! Now that Boehner is having problems getting his (Tea) party to jump on this massive $4 TRILLION spending cut proposal, you're going to decree "Obama trying to come in at the 11th hour to rescue negotiations!"

Please!!! :roll: Save that crap for somebody who can't see through the GOPs political smoke screen. They're bolstering is liable to backfire on them.

Problem is Obama walks out when he does not get his way. Obama shows he has no leadership qualities
 
the GOP ran away from deficit talks two weeks ago.

They literally did. On the other hand, the meeting Obama left had already been ended. Cantor just couldn't shut up, so Obama bid him good day, and left.
 
They literally did. On the other hand, the meeting Obama left had already been ended. Cantor just couldn't shut up, so Obama bid him good day, and left.

If Cantor was still talking it was not over. Obama does not want to compromise with the GOP
 
They literally did. On the other hand, the meeting Obama left had already been ended. Cantor just couldn't shut up, so Obama bid him good day, and left.

If Cantor was still talking it was not over. Obama does not want to compromise with the GOP
 
If Cantor was still talking it was not over. Obama does not want to compromise with the GOP

You're making a major leap. Conversations have not ended, just ended for the moment.
 
They literally did. On the other hand, the meeting Obama left had already been ended. Cantor just couldn't shut up, so Obama bid him good day, and left.

No, Obama by all reports was visibly angry and frustrated, and threatened Cantor saying "Don't call my bluff, I'll go to the people..." Then he stormed out like a child.

j-mac
 
So you think at this time they have the time to take a day off? This is absurd.

j-mac

In any discussion there is a point of diminshing returns, and backing off for a moment is the wise thing to do. I've been in such meetings. Come back when calmer ehads can rule the day. Take partisanship out of this and think of it as a heated debated,which is common even among people of good will trying to get something difficult worked out. In all walks, there is a reason why time limits are often put on such meetings.
 
In any discussion there is a point of diminshing returns, and backing off for a moment is the wise thing to do. I've been in such meetings. Come back when calmer ehads can rule the day. Take partisanship out of this and think of it as a heated debated,which is common even among people of good will trying to get something difficult worked out. In all walks, there is a reason why time limits are often put on such meetings.

That is all fine and dandy, but Obama would be wise to take the day and hit the books on the constitution again, and realize that the congress controls the purse, so he doesn't get to set the direction of what is to happen proceeding forward. As a supposed broker in these negotiations so far I'd say he is failing due to his own blinding partisanship.

j-mac
 
That is all fine and dandy, but Obama would be wise to take the day and hit the books on the constitution again, and realize that the congress controls the purse, so he doesn't get to set the direction of what is to happen proceeding forward. As a supposed broker in these negotiations so far I'd say he is failing due to his own blinding partisanship.

j-mac

He ahs said nothing that suggests anything unconsititutional. He can speak to the people. This is well within his constitutional rights. Come on j, don't leap into Bachman territory. ;)
 
He ahs said nothing that suggests anything unconsititutional. He can speak to the people. This is well within his constitutional rights. Come on j, don't leap into Bachman territory. ;)

Come on Joe, don't leap into Allensky territory...The President lied to the people with the Pelli (sp) interview, and he is now attempting to grant himself the power to control the purse strings of the nation. His objective from what I can see has been to render congress moot since he arrived. And there may well be some unconstitutional things he has done. Just that no investigations have been done.......Yet.

j-mac
 
Come on Joe, don't leap into Allensky territory...The President lied to the people with the Pelli (sp) interview, and he is now attempting to grant himself the power to control the purse strings of the nation. His objective from what I can see has been to render congress moot since he arrived. And there may well be some unconstitutional things he has done. Just that no investigations have been done.......Yet.

j-mac

You do read silly crap my friend. I sure wish you wouldn't buy into the stupid so easily.

Do you think it unconsititutional to take his case to the people?
 
Ask the president how much more money does he need to buy the election.
 
Ask the president how much more money does he need to buy the election.

Are you suggesting Obama is the only candidate spending a lot of money? A bit disingenuous aren't you?
 
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