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Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

ptif219 said:
No I didn't you took it out of context to get that
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Not at all. I removed it from no context at all. The Democrats extended Republican tax cuts and you are blaming them for it. It's hilarious how you are so anti anything Democrats do, even when the acts are originally Republican. I guess if Democrats gave you a tax cut, you'd be against it purely because they were democrats.
 
apdst said:
When you change the years in the little doo-hickie, it's a different story. :rofl

Portal Seven | U6 Unemployment Rate
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You said: "There's no way you're going to post the U6 numbers for 2007 and 2008." Which I did. Proving you, as usual are wrong. You clearly must enjoy the taste of fail since you do it so often. But thanks for proving not only are you immune to shame but you have no problem with the fallacy of raising the bar. Honesty is not strong with you.
 
obvious Child said:
You said: "There's no way you're going to post the U6 numbers for 2007 and 2008." Which I did. Proving you, as usual are wrong. You clearly must enjoy the taste of fail since you do it so often. But thanks for proving not only are you immune to shame but you have no problem with the fallacy of raising the bar. Honesty is not strong with you.
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And, you didn't. You posted from 2006 to 2007.

This is what '07 to '08 looks like.

Portal Seven | U6 Unemployment Rate

How is it to constantly cherry pick your information?
 
Polotick said:
We should just have a bake sale every Saturday, who would fight against that?
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Well Big Liberal Nanny State Government of course...........

Congress passes Michelle Obama-supported child nutrition bill | OregonLive.com

Bake sales and other school sponsored fundraisers that sell unhealthy foods could be limited under the legislation, which only allows them if they are infrequent. The Agriculture Department would determine how often they could be held. Public health advocates pushed for the language, saying they are concerned about daily or weekly fundraisers that allow children to substitute junk food for a healthier meal

Unless your talking Tofu bake sales........then you have The Kenyan Tyrant and Moochelles blessing.........as soon as they are done eating their chili-dogs, french fries, and cookies that is.
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Objective Voice said:
Not only does it not make sense, it's not true. Republicans passed both tax cut measures in 2001 and 2003. Then they insist on more tax cuts be included in the Stimulus. Yet, now they claim the bill was worthless. As such, they've done everything humanly possible to negate any job creation or economic recovery that could have come with it, i.e., trimming state budgets at the expense of public employees and all but forcing public employees into retirement because of the many bills passed that increased expenditures on public employees at a time they claim "the people can ill afford to pay higher taxes". Well, they can claim they didn't raise taxes on anybody and that would be correct. However, they've forced higher costs onto a certain segment of the economy and that IS having a negative impact on the overall economy.

In short, by the states balancing their budgets on the backs of public employees, they are driving more people unto the unemployment rolls (retirements notwithstanding). I know of a few people who have lost their jobs because of statewide budget cuts and these were people who had been employed and doing good work for upwards of 10-12 years.
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So then explain the democrats and Obama extending the tax cuts.
 
obvious Child said:
Not at all. I removed it from no context at all. The Democrats extended Republican tax cuts and you are blaming them for it. It's hilarious how you are so anti anything Democrats do, even when the acts are originally Republican. I guess if Democrats gave you a tax cut, you'd be against it purely because they were democrats.
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No you are saying the tax cuts are bad. So why did the democrats extend them and why do you not blame them like you do Bush?
 
Objective Voice said:
As such, they've done everything humanly possible to negate any job creation or economic recovery that could have come with it, i.e., trimming state budgets at the expense of public employees
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California budget: Democrats pass austerity budget - Los Angeles Times

Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

Jerry Brown Budget Cuts | California budget: Gov. Jerry Brown approves cuts to services for poor, sick and elderly - Los Angeles Times

MA House votes to restrict unions - Boston.com

New Jersey Assembly Passes Bill That Requires Public Workers' Unions To Pay More For Benefits - WPIX

Emanuel Unveils Major Budget Cut On First Full Day « CBS Chicago

Governor Pat Quinn signs Illinois education reform bill into law, new rules effect school days, teacher strikes, tenure | abc7chicago.com

Detroit Moves Against Unions - WSJ.com

Union Deal Defeated; Gov. Malloy Pledges To Cut State Workers - CTnow
 
apdst said:
And, you didn't. You posted from 2006 to 2007.
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O'rly?

Interesting. Between 8.0 and 13.7. 2007 was actually better then 2003.
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Huh. Looks like I did post the highest U6 number between 2007 and 2008.

This is what '07 to '08 looks like.

Portal Seven | U6 Unemployment Rate

How is it to constantly cherry pick your information?
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It's hilarious how you first read my post, say I didn't post the relevant data and then provide a link with the exact number I said was in 2008. You don't fact check. If you did, you would have realized that I in fact DID reference 2008.

Less fail next time adpst. Less fail.
 
The Prof said:
California budget: Democrats pass austerity budget - Los Angeles Times

Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

Jerry Brown Budget Cuts | California budget: Gov. Jerry Brown approves cuts to services for poor, sick and elderly - Los Angeles Times

MA House votes to restrict unions - Boston.com

New Jersey Assembly Passes Bill That Requires Public Workers' Unions To Pay More For Benefits - WPIX

Emanuel Unveils Major Budget Cut On First Full Day « CBS Chicago

Governor Pat Quinn signs Illinois education reform bill into law, new rules effect school days, teacher strikes, tenure | abc7chicago.com

Detroit Moves Against Unions - WSJ.com

Union Deal Defeated; Gov. Malloy Pledges To Cut State Workers - CTnow
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Prof, I'll admit, I don't always really like your 'posting style'... but nobody does this better than you ;)
 
Badmutha said:
Well Big Liberal Nanny State Government of course...........

Congress passes Michelle Obama-supported child nutrition bill | OregonLive.com

Bake sales and other school sponsored fundraisers that sell unhealthy foods could be limited under the legislation, which only allows them if they are infrequent. The Agriculture Department would determine how often they could be held. Public health advocates pushed for the language, saying they are concerned about daily or weekly fundraisers that allow children to substitute junk food for a healthier meal

Unless your talking Tofu bake sales........then you have The Kenyan Tyrant and Moochelles blessing.........as soon as they are done eating their chili-dogs, french fries, and cookies that is.
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Moochelle? You know that's what the freepers call her, right?
 
Deuce said:
Moochelle? You know that's what the freepers call her, right?
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Yeah, I don't like that as much as when the libs start using the supposedly cute little name calling either.....But I guess it goes both ways eh?

j-mac
 
ptif219 said:
So then explain the democrats and Obama extending the tax cuts.
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It was a compromise...

Extend the Bush tax cuts for a short duration - 2 yrs - because the economy still wasn't clicking along well enough for the private sector to start hiring folks AND the tax cuts would allow people to "keep more of what they earned" OR provide tax credits to those who qualified. At the same time, the President got unemployment benefits extended to those people who are still looking for work.

It was a good compromise. For as the GOP leadership has continued to argue, "You don't want to raise taxes on people who are still struggling financiallly in the midst of a recession." That mentality is equally shared by members from both parties.
 
Objective Voice said:
It was a compromise...

Extend the Bush tax cuts for a short duration - 2 yrs - because the economy still wasn't clicking along well enough for the private sector to start hiring folks AND the tax cuts would allow people to "keep more of what they earned" OR provide tax credits to those who qualified. At the same time, the President got unemployment benefits extended to those people who are still looking for work.

It was a good compromise. For as the GOP leadership has continued to argue, "You don't want to raise taxes on people who are still struggling financiallly in the midst of a recession." That mentality is equally shared by members from both parties.
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That means the liberals are hypocrites when they complain about the Bush tax cuts
 
Objective Voice said:
It was a compromise...

Extend the Bush tax cuts for a short duration - 2 yrs - because the economy still wasn't clicking along well enough for the private sector to start hiring folks AND the tax cuts would allow people to "keep more of what they earned" OR provide tax credits to those who qualified. At the same time, the President got unemployment benefits extended to those people who are still looking for work.

It was a good compromise. For as the GOP leadership has continued to argue, "You don't want to raise taxes on people who are still struggling financiallly in the midst of a recession." That mentality is equally shared by members from both parties.
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It's still the case. Unemployment is up, so they ought to maintain them.
 
ptif219 said:
That means the liberals are hypocrites when they complain about the Bush tax cuts
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No. It means they did what was necessary to help stabalize the economy and keep it from getting worse.

It means they took all sides of the economic divide into account - rich people, poor people, working-class people, large corporations and small businesses alike - and increased NOBODY'S TAXES in order for EVERYONE to have the potential to retain more of their earned income in the hopes that they would have more "disposable income" to go out and do what consumers do - SHOP! And for investors to do what they do - INVEST! And that businesses large and small would have more operating funds to buy needed equipment or apply towards salaries.

The President saw the bigger picture for the short-term, but he recognizes that the measures taken in the midterms were just that - short-term fixes to the larger long-term problem. That's what the proposals he outlined in today's press conference on debt ceiling negotiations were all about - "doing big things to fix the long-term problems" to set our national economy on more solid footing so that we can start to truly turn our economy around. It WILL require sacrafices by both parties to get things done, but as long as one side is insistent on digging in their heels and not making any compromises whatsoever, our nation's economic problems just won't be short-term issues. We'll be in for some very painful long-term economic stiff if your side is unwilling to give alittle.

$4 TRILLION in spending cuts which include "adjustments" to Medicare and Medicaid.

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A few BILLION in revenue generators (not exactly sure what those are but I'm willing to guess they include eliminating tax subsidies now and ending the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy beginning at a certain income level later).

It's the best deal the GOP is going to get! And let's not forget - THEY STARTED OUT ASKING FOR $1 TRILLION IN CUTS! The current offer is $4 TRILLION -- 4Xs THEIR ORIGINAL STARTING POINT!!!!

The GOP would be foolish not to accept this deal!!!
 
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Objective Voice said:
No. It means they did what was necessary to help stabalize the economy and keep it from getting worse.

It means they took all sides of the economic divide into account - rich people, poor people, working-class people, large corporations and small businesses alike - and increased NOBODY'S TAXES in order for EVERYONE to have the potential to retain more of their earned income in the hopes that they would have more "disposable income" to go out and do what consumers do - SHOP! And for investors to do what they do - INVEST! And that businesses large and small would have more operating funds to buy needed equipment or apply towards salaries.

The President saw the bigger picture for the short-term, but he recognizes that the measures taken in the midterms were just that - short-term fixes to the larger long-term problem. That's what the proposals he outlined in today's press conference on debt ceiling negotiations were all about - "doing big things to fix the long-term problems" to set our national economy on more solid footing so that we can start to truly turn our economy around. It WILL require sacrafices by both parties to get things done, but as long as one side is insistent on digging in their heels and not making any compromises whatsoever, our nation's economic problems just won't be short-term issues. We'll be in for some very painful long-term economic stiff if your side is unwilling to give alittle.

$4 TRILLION in spending cuts which include "adjustments" to Medicare and Medicaid.

- VERSUS -

A few BILLION in revenue generators (not exactly sure what those are but I'm willing to guess they include eliminating tax subsidies now and ending the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy beginning at a certain income level later).

It's the best deal the GOP is going to get! And let's not forget - THEY STARTED OUT ASKING FOR $1 TRILLION IN CUTS! The current offer is $4 TRILLION -- 4Xs THEIR ORIGINAL STARTING POINT!!!!

The GOP would be foolish not to accept this deal!!!
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It means if you complain against the Bush tax cuts you are a hypocrite. You can't have it both ways. They are either needed or bad.
 
ptif219 said:
It means if you complain against the Bush tax cuts you are a hypocrite. You can't have it both ways. They are either needed or bad.
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It will not happen. Obama is wanting ti be a dictatoer and and issue so he can campaign and say he fixed it. Obama will fail and he will not get the GOP to compromise unless he does.
 
ptif219 said:
It means if you complain against the Bush tax cuts you are a hypocrite. You can't have it both ways. They are either needed or bad.
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I wanted them to expire! But...

I can understand how in today's economic climate it doesn't make sense to take money out of the pockets of hard working Americans or hamper investor's ability to invest. However, since it is very evident that the rich are getting richer and aren't feeling the burden of the economic downturn, it makes sense to tax them to generate revenue since it was Wall Street who is partly to blame for brining this mess upon the country. Congress (particularly under Pres. Clinton's deregulation tactic and GWB for not providing the needed oversight) was the other side to blame, but that mishap has been covered by bank finance reform measures.

ptif219 said:
It will not happen. Obama is wanting ti be a dictatoer and and issue so he can campaign and say he fixed it. Obama will fail and he will not get the GOP to compromise unless he does.
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You're so full of it, man!

Your side has been the one calling for the President to get involved in the debt ceiling negotiations! Now that Boehner is having problems getting his (Tea) party to jump on this massive $4 TRILLION spending cut proposal, you're going to decree "Obama trying to come in at the 11th hour to rescue negotiations!"

Please!!! :roll: Save that crap for somebody who can't see through the GOPs political smoke screen. They're bolstering is liable to backfire on them.
 
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Objective Voice said:
No. It means they did what was necessary to help stabalize the economy and keep it from getting worse.

It means they took all sides of the economic divide into account - rich people, poor people, working-class people, large corporations and small businesses alike - and increased NOBODY'S TAXES in order for EVERYONE to have the potential to retain more of their earned income in the hopes that they would have more "disposable income" to go out and do what consumers do - SHOP! And for investors to do what they do - INVEST! And that businesses large and small would have more operating funds to buy needed equipment or apply towards salaries.

The President saw the bigger picture for the short-term, but he recognizes that the measures taken in the midterms were just that - short-term fixes to the larger long-term problem. That's what the proposals he outlined in today's press conference on debt ceiling negotiations were all about - "doing big things to fix the long-term problems" to set our national economy on more solid footing so that we can start to truly turn our economy around. It WILL require sacrafices by both parties to get things done, but as long as one side is insistent on digging in their heels and not making any compromises whatsoever, our nation's economic problems just won't be short-term issues. We'll be in for some very painful long-term economic stiff if your side is unwilling to give alittle.

$4 TRILLION in spending cuts which include "adjustments" to Medicare and Medicaid.

- VERSUS -

A few BILLION in revenue generators (not exactly sure what those are but I'm willing to guess they include eliminating tax subsidies now and ending the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy beginning at a certain income level later).

It's the best deal the GOP is going to get! And let's not forget - THEY STARTED OUT ASKING FOR $1 TRILLION IN CUTS! The current offer is $4 TRILLION -- 4Xs THEIR ORIGINAL STARTING POINT!!!!

The GOP would be foolish not to accept this deal!!!
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I just want to say that I don't trust anything that boasts a number that extends 10 years, or more into the future. In that time span there can be up to 5 changes in congressional make up that can change anything agreed to today.

I think Republicans should hold Obama's feet to the fire with smaller deals that give proven cuts that take place before any talk of tax changes can occur. Because we all know how demo's lie when it comes to spending cuts.

j-mac
 
American said:
Unemployment in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer

http://www.bls.gov/opub/ils/pdf/opbils89.pdf

Chart 1 appears to indicate that people are staying unemployed twice as long now than in the previous 15 years.
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That's not surprising considering that this recession, unlike previous recessions accelerated the decline on major industries already circling the toliet. With skill sets meant for jobs that simply do not exist in America anymore, it makes sense that unemployed stay that way much longer then previous recessions.
 
j-mac said:
I just want to say that I don't trust anything that boasts a number that extends 10 years, or more into the future. In that time span there can be up to 5 changes in congressional make up that can change anything agreed to today.

I think Republicans should hold Obama's feet to the fire with smaller deals that give proven cuts that take place before any talk of tax changes can occur. Because we all know how demo's lie when it comes to spending cuts.

j-mac
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Thats true. But I do think we need short term plans and long term plans. Very little really gets fixed in a flash.
 
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