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Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

I would say Obama does want a shut down since he refuses to meet with the GOP

well, it's not like Democrats have been exactly low-key on the fact that they consider a government shut-down to be politically advantageous to them.

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So what is poor to you?? Or do you even have a clue??

According to the government’s own surveys, the typical “poor” American has cable or satellite TV, two color TVs, and a DVD player or VCR. He has air conditioning, a car, a microwave, a refrig*erator, a stove, and a clothes washer and dryer. He is able to obtain medical care when needed. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not affluent, it is far from the images of dire poverty conveyed by liberal activists and politicians.

Various government reports contain the following facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau:

Nearly 40 percent of all poor households actu*ally own their own homes. On average, this is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

Eighty-four percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

Nearly two-thirds of the poor have cable or satellite TV.

Only 6 percent of poor households are over*crowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

The typical poor American has as much or more living space than the average individual living in most European countries. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

Ninety-eight percent of poor households have a color television; two-thirds own two or more color televisions.

Eighty-two percent own microwave ovens; 67 percent have a DVD player; 73 percent have a VCR; 47 percent have a computer.

The average intake of protein, vitamins, and minerals by poor children is indistinguishable from that of children in the upper middle class. Poor boys today at ages 18 and 19 are actually taller and heavier than middle-class boys of similar age were in the late 1950s. They are a full inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy during World War II....​



now, we do have some actual poor in this country. but by any historical or world standard?

I've been "poor" (in that my family qualified for government aid etc). When I was "poor" I had an apartment, two vehicles, was able to feed my family, and even had a few dollars left over at the end of the (most months) month to sock into savings. I've been overseas (heck, I am overseas) - my lifestyle as a "poor" person in America was way above average for this ole world.
 
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Here is some information on poverty..

Number of Americans in poverty jumps to 43.6M; working-age poor at highest level since 1960s - FoxNews.com

It is Fox News so it should be gospel to you.. Poverty is an issue.. You talk about cutting spending?? How about getting these people to work and educated so they aren't a burdon to society?? Instead of cutting benefits and making even more poor people..

Amen. Can we count on you for education reform to allow poor children to escape failing school systems then? How about reducing the regulatory burden and costs of employment so that we can get more people working?
 
you are a citizen of this country, you enjoy the benefits of its infrastructure, you drive on its roads, enjoy the use of its water/sewage systems, enjoy the protection of its armed forces(God bless them), enjoy police and fire protection, enjoy the state/national parks.....guess what, these all cost money, which is raised in the form of taxes, local, state, and federal. you, and several others here can piss, bitch and moan all you like about taxes, personally, i think each and everyone of us gets one hell of a deal.

Especially those of us who pay nothing right?

j-mac
 
So your basing your entire arguement on the fact that he went to a fund raiser instead of having lunch with turtle man?? ROFL!! One person hardly qualifies as the GOP, and I can list off a few occasions when the GOP snubbed their noses at the president?? You let me know when a democrat calls a republican president a liar during a state of the Union address.. Then you might have something to say.. Until then you are just a troll trying to appear releavant..

Get a clue dude!! I wouldn't want to have lunch with him.. So where is the part about a shut down?? Again?? You still flapping in the wind..

Obama shows his re-election is more important than the debt ceiling. You may give him a pass but I say he is incompetent and not meeting his obligations as President.
 
um...WHO walked out of the debt talks?

That has nothing to do with Obama. The walk out was a cooling period. Obama makes a speech and tells congress not to go on vacation. Then Obama refuses to talk to the GOP and goes on vacation. What a hypocrite he is.
 
Obama shows his re-election is more important than the debt ceiling. You may give him a pass but I say he is incompetent and not meeting his obligations as President.
ok, republicans are showing that trying to screw obama is more important than the economic health of the country...you may give them a pass, but i say they are incompetent and not meeting their obligations as senators/representatives.
 
ok, republicans are showing that trying to screw obama is more important than the economic health of the country...you may give them a pass, but i say they are incompetent and not meeting their obligations as senators/representatives.

Wrong they are trying to get spending under control. The democrats want to keep the checkbook open
 
Wrong they are trying to get spending under control. The democrats want to keep the checkbook open
wrong, they are more interested in screwing obama out of re-election...see, i can throw bombs just as well as you can.
 
wrong, they are more interested in screwing obama out of re-election...see, i can throw bombs just as well as you can.

Not true they show they are concerned about the out of control spending of Obama. To keep raising the ceiling and not cut spending is hurting our economy
 
Especially those of us who pay nothing right?

j-mac

Very few, if any pay nothing. There is more than one way folks are taxed. Just saying . . . .
 
Very few, if any pay nothing. There is more than one way folks are taxed. Just saying . . . .

When it comes to federal income tax the system is broken. The democrats do not want it changed because they would lose control and would not be able to use it as a campaign point


Who pays

The Tax Policy Center has released its latest statistics about who pays — and who does not pay — federal income taxes. According to its numbers, 46.4 percent of “tax units” in America will pay no income tax this year.

More than half of those non-paying units make less than $16,812. More than 80 percent make less than $33,542. Some will no doubt focus their outrage on those lower-income folks, but I’m more intrigued by the fact that 3,000 “tax units” with incomes above $2.18 million paid no income tax. All in all, 446,000 “tax units” with incomes above $103,465 paid no income tax on that money, a figure that includes capital gains taxes.
 
Not true they show they are concerned about the out of control spending of Obama. To keep raising the ceiling and not cut spending is hurting our economy
not true, they want to screw over obama at any cost, including the economy...boy, this is fun , throwing bombs at the other side.........
 
When it comes to federal income tax the system is broken. The democrats do not want it changed because they would lose control and would not be able to use it as a campaign point


Who pays

The Tax Policy Center has released its latest statistics about who pays — and who does not pay — federal income taxes. According to its numbers, 46.4 percent of “tax units” in America will pay no income tax this year.

More than half of those non-paying units make less than $16,812. More than 80 percent make less than $33,542. Some will no doubt focus their outrage on those lower-income folks, but I’m more intrigued by the fact that 3,000 “tax units” with incomes above $2.18 million paid no income tax. All in all, 446,000 “tax units” with incomes above $103,465 paid no income tax on that money, a figure that includes capital gains taxes.

Income taxes are not the only taxes.

However:

In a more typical year, 35 percent to 40 percent of households owe no federal income tax. In 2007, the figure was 37.9 percent. [2]

■The 51 percent figure covers only the federal income tax and ignores the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay . As a result, it greatly overstates the share of households that do not pay any federal taxes. Data from the Urban Institute-Brookings Tax Policy Center show only about 14 percent of households paid neither federal income tax nor payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[3]

■This percentage would be even lower if federal excise taxes on gasoline and other items were taken into account.
■Most of the people who pay neither federal income tax nor payroll taxes are low-income people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability, or students, most of whom subsequently become taxpayers. (In a year like 2009, this group also includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.)
■Moreover, low-income households as a whole do, in fact, pay federal taxes. Congressional Budget Office data show that the poorest fifth of households as a group paid an average of 4 percent of their incomes in federal taxes in 2007 (the latest year for which these data are available), not an insignificant amount given how modest these households’ incomes are — the poorest fifth of households had average income of $18,400 in 2007. [4] The next-to-the bottom fifth — those with incomes between $20,500 and $34,300 in 2007 — paid an average of 10 percent of their incomes in federal taxes.

Misconceptions and Realities About Who Pays Taxes — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Like is common, your side once again overstates the problem to the point of being factually inaccurate.
 
Like is common, your side once again overstates the problem to the point of being factually inaccurate.
What part of "46.4 percent of 'tax units' in America will pay no income tax this year" is "factually inaccurate" again?

Or maybe I missed the post where someone claimed that half the country pays no federal taxes whatsoever.
 
What part of "46.4 percent of 'tax units' in America will pay no income tax this year" is "factually inaccurate" again?

Or maybe I missed the post where someone claimed that half the country pays no federal taxes whatsoever.

First off, the number is more typically 35-40%. Secondly, as they do pay other federal taxes, what that number means is less important, less siginficant than made out to be. I think this is made clear in what I have presented. :coffeepap
 
Very few, if any pay nothing. There is more than one way folks are taxed. Just saying . . . .

I am talking about Federal income tax. Other taxes like sales tax, we all pay, and those in the levels receiving rebates on income tax to the levels of becoming a non participant in that system are most likely buying less, so they are paying less there also. So let's keep it to Federal income tax.

j-mac
 
I am talking about Federal income tax. Other taxes like sales tax, we all pay, and those in the levels receiving rebates on income tax to the levels of becoming a non participant in that system are most likely buying less, so they are paying less there also. So let's keep it to Federal income tax.

j-mac

Which is limiting to the point of being misleading. So, no, let's not keep it to federal income tax. Read the link I posted, as it expalins nicely why not.
 
First off, the number is more typically 35-40%. Secondly, as they do pay other federal taxes, what that number means is less important, less siginficant than made out to be. I think this is made clear in what I have presented. :coffeepap

Maybe you missed these stories lately....

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Tax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it's simply somebody else's problem.

About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.

Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax - Yahoo! Finance

or

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam, but for some people it simply is not true.

In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009

Or this one...


So your little statement about 35% to 40% is dead wrong today. care to take a rare moment and admit your wrong?

j-mac
 
No j, I haven't missed any of them. And no, if you read for comprehension what was said, you will find I am not wrong. Again, read the link, which mentions 2009.
 
Which is limiting to the point of being misleading. So, no, let's not keep it to federal income tax. Read the link I posted, as it expalins nicely why not.

Yes, the WH lie about this....Let's start with the first paragraph from CBP that you posted...It make the claim that payroll tax is people paying taxes, however, if you add up the payroll tax for a year, and lets say you paid $3,000.00, and then at the end of the year you did your taxes and got a rebate net of $4,500.00 back. Did you pay any tax? No! you were a recipient. plain and simple.

j-mac
 
No j, I haven't missed any of them. And no, if you read for comprehension what was said, you will find I am not wrong. Again, read the link, which mentions 2009.

I do comprehend just fine Joe, and I think that it isn't so much my comprehension as it is your pretzel logic.

j-mac
 
Yes, the WH lie about this....Let's start with the first paragraph from CBP that you posted...It make the claim that payroll tax is people paying taxes, however, if you add up the payroll tax for a year, and lets say you paid $3,000.00, and then at the end of the year you did your taxes and got a rebate net of $4,500.00 back. Did you pay any tax? No! you were a recipient. plain and simple.

j-mac

Question:
Why is this important?
Should we raise taxes for those people?
 
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