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Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

DemonMyst said:
Don't be confused here.. Descretionary spending or SS and Medicare are small potatos when it comes to the budget.. They are both paid with their own tax and are not usually even counted on the main budget unless it is to fund something extra.. The same reason the post office isn't on the budget.. The pust office is also self funded.. So cutting Medicare and SS will also do nothing.. Check your own pay stub if you don't believe me..
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But that self funding is not going to exist anymore in a few years. I believe SS is dying in 36 and Medicare will be done in 22. The point is if these programs are reformed and scaled back on the deficit would slowly decrease.

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Policy Basics: Where Do Our Federal Tax Dollars Go? — Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Social Security: Another 20 percent of the budget, or $707 billion, paid for Social Security, which provided retirement benefits averaging $1,175 per month to 34.6 million retired workers in December 2010. Social Security also provided benefits to 2.9 million spouses and children of retired workers, 6.4 million surviving children and spouses of deceased workers, and 10.2 million disabled workers and their eligible dependents in December 2010.
Medicare, Medicaid, and CHIP: Three health insurance programs — Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) — together accounted for 21 percent of the budget in 2010, or $732 billion. Nearly two-thirds of this amount, or $452 billion, went to Medicare, which provides health coverage to around 47 million people who are over the age of 65 or have disabilities. The remainder of this category funds Medicaid and CHIP, which in a typical month in 2010 will provide health care or long-term care to about 60 million low-income children, parents, elderly people, and people with disabilities. Both Medicaid and CHIP require matching payments from the states.
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Also check this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/budget-2010/
 
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Thunder said:
what's 38% minus 35%?

3%.
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does someone else want to explain this idiotic math error

if you pay a 36% tax rate and that rate is increased to 39.6% that is about a 10% increase in the amount of money taken from your next dollar. NOT A 3% increase. figure it out and understand why you just made a rather gaping error
 
TurtleDude said:
I write off as ignorant anyone who claims that a group that makes 22% of the income and does not own all of the property yet pays 40% of the federal income tax and almost all the death tax is not paying its fair share. That just defies any sort of intellectual honesty..
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so you're writing off 47% of the American people as ignorant?

huh.
 
ptif219 said:
The government is the police. If you do not pay taxes the IRS will take it by force
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no, the government is not the "police".

I don't know where you're coming up with this stuff.

if you do not pay your Federal income taxes, the IRS will garnish your wages and take what you owe.

its the law, as it should be. you do respect the law, do you not?
 
Gargantuan said:
Under Bush, 3 million jobs created. Clinton, 23 million. Making the wealthy pay more really does destroy the economy right??
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Link?? And also provide numbers that were private jobs and not government.. We all know Bush grew the government.. The Department of Homeland Security will account for much of those new government jobs..

You also don't grow unemployment to almost 9% and then claim he created jobs.. One of those claims is false.. I'll let you decide which one you want to prove right or wrong..
 
Thunder said:
so you're writing off 47% of the American people as ignorant?

huh.
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STRAWMAN ALERT

Can you prove that all of those people believe that nonsense?
 
DemonMyst said:
Link?? And also provide numbers that were private jobs and not government.. We all know Bush grew the government.. The Department of Homeland Security will account for much of those new government jobs..

You also don't grow unemployment to almost 9% and then claim he created jobs.. One of those claims is false.. I'll let you decide which one you want to prove right or wrong..
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I posted the link on another page but here it is again. Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

DHS actually was not all new gov jobs. Most of DHS is all components transferred from other cabinet departments. For example INS special agents became ICE special agents. INS immigration employees because USCIS employees. Coast guard which was in the DoT moved to DHS.
 
Thunder said:
no, the government is not the "police".

I don't know where you're coming up with this stuff.

if you do not pay your Federal income taxes, the IRS will garnish your wages and take what you owe.

its the law, as it should be. you do respect the law, do you not?
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So they steal your money or you go to jail
 
Gargantuan said:
I posted the link on another page but here it is again. Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ

DHS actually was not all new gov jobs. Most of DHS is all components transferred from other cabinet departments. For example INS special agents became ICE special agents. INS immigration employees because USCIS employees. Coast guard which was in the DoT moved to DHS.
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Either deal with the unemployment issue or stop being a troll.. You can't tell me he created 3 million jobs when the unemployment almost doubles while he is in office.. Reconcile those facts or stop spewing your trash!!
 
ptif219 said:
So they steal your money or you go to jail
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under not one single state criminal code, are taxes theft...nor is it theft to garnish someone's wages who fail to pay their required taxes.

sorry buddy, but you can't just go around saying this or that is a crime. society makes those choices, not you.
 
DemonMyst said:
Link?? And also provide numbers that were private jobs and not government.. We all know Bush grew the government.. The Department of Homeland Security will account for much of those new government jobs..

You also don't grow unemployment to almost 9% and then claim he created jobs.. One of those claims is false.. I'll let you decide which one you want to prove right or wrong..
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Obama put it to 9% and created more government. Remember Obama said the stimulus would keep unemployment down?
 
Gargantuan said:
So what? Don't see any issue with that. Pay your taxes.
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Thats the point. They will not cut spending their answer is raise taxes. They wannt to take more of your money by force so they can keep spending
 
 
DemonMyst said:
Either deal with the unemployment issue or stop being a troll.. You can't tell me he created 3 million jobs when the unemployment almost doubles while he is in office.. Reconcile those facts or stop spewing your trash!!
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That doesn't make a difference. It's a measure of jobs created throughout his presidential terms.
 
ptif219 said:
Thats the point. They will not cut spending their answer is raise taxes. They wannt to take more of your money by force so they can keep spending
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They have to to keep buying the votes of those who are mad that the rich have money and they don't and want the rich to give them everything from free health care to paying their mortgages
 
TurtleDude said:
so you agree with Thunder that every single person who does not pay income tax think the rich aren't paying their fair share?
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I pay income tax and think that the very rich are not paying their fair share. There is no reason why a family earning 250k a year should be in the same tax bracket as someone earning 250 million a year.
 
Thunder said:
under not one single state criminal code, are taxes theft...nor is it theft to garnish someone's wages who fail to pay their required taxes.

sorry buddy, but you can't just go around saying this or that is a crime. society makes those choices, not you.
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So because they do it legally it is not theft? HAHAHA thats funny
 
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