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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    stop the fibs

    its far more than 3%


    a 3% rate raise on a tax rate of 36% is more like a ten percent increase in the tax bill

    people who have saved and invested and retired from work are looking at a 100% increase in taxes or more if they have mainly dividend income. My uncle worked his butt off in the advertising business. He was one of the first people in television and did well. In 1979 he sold his business to take care of my aunt who was dying of smoking related cancer. he invested all of that -save for what he spent on experimental (and unsuccessful) cancer treatments. So at age 55 he was living off of dividend income.
    Some of that income was taxed twice-first at the corporate profit level then when it came to him. Obama and many of his followers want to raise taxes on dividends for someone like my late uncle from 15% to 39.6%

    do the math
    Totally aside from oir usual exchanges, do you believe its possible to address the lefts concerns with predatory, parasitic economic activities and the type of excesses you mention in your example? Some way to counter the rate of concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands without screwing people who have worked hard for their money?

    Couldn't even your hated estate tax be reworked to prevent the formation of permanent dynasties (the super-rich), without destroying the inheritances of those rich-but-not-ridiculously-so? (I have been paying attention to what you say and understand your points, can you think of any ways to address these problems without the current my way or the highway approach?)
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I write off as ignorant anyone who claims that a group that makes 22% of the income and does not own all of the property yet pays 40% of the federal income tax and almost all the death tax is not paying its fair share. That just defies any sort of intellectual honesty

    if fairness is based on a group's share of the income the top one ,two and five percent pay far more than their fair share

    if fairness is based on how much government services the top one two or five percent use, that group pays far more than their fair share

    if fairness is based on the value of services received from the government, that group pays far more than the value it gets

    those who pay no income tax pay far less than their fair share based on any of those three objective standards

    and since only about 2% of the voters face a death tax, 98% of the voters don't pay their fair share and those 2% pay far far more than their fair share

    If you want to whine that since the rich have more money and less votes it makes political sense to soak them, that at least is intellectually honest

    to claim that the rich don't pay their fair share relegates you not being taken seriously with me
    When you left out how much of the available wealth/property that 22% own you left out a key element of the equation. Ownership of available wealth.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Yes he has paid more tax dollars than I have. Dollars is not the issue here. The issue is a fair burden. I have said this before in many other threads. A family is in the 15% bracket and earns 30k a year jointly. They pay what? 4 grand about? That is fair. Someone who earns 275 million a year pays 15% of their salary and pays like 40 mil in taxes. That is a tiny little piece of that income compared with taking 4 grand from a family earnign 30k a year.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Wrong the GOP wants to cut spending
    Well they say they do, with the election coming up and the self-inflicted Tea Party problem to deal with.

    Their behavior prior to this doesn't indicate anything of the sort.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Well they say they do, with the election coming up and the self-inflicted Tea Party problem to deal with.

    Their behavior prior to this doesn't indicate anything of the sort.
    True. What politicans say means less than what they do, and we do have history to show us what they have done.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Not true they show they are concerned about the out of control spending of Obama. To keep raising the ceiling and not cut spending is hurting our economy
    hmmm...then why were they not overly concerned about bush's spending?? so bs, they are suddenly concerned now because there is an election coming up...

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What about that term is siginficant?
    Aren't you some sort of teacher? Are you having problems with the structure of the sentence? R-E-C-I-P-I-E-N-T! Meaning ofcourse that they are getting money that I pay in, and they don't.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hmmm...then why were they not overly concerned about bush's spending?? so bs, they are suddenly concerned now because there is an election coming up...
    No, we are concerned now because Obama is about to destroy this country with his spending.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, we are concerned now because Obama is about to destroy this country with his spending.
    his spending wouldn't be as much of a problem if it weren't for GOP tax cuts.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    his spending wouldn't be as much of a problem if it weren't for GOP tax cuts.
    Nonsense. Obama has increased the deficit more than every other President combined! Now, if you too 100% of earnings in this country you may not be able to cure it. So your post is just talking point silliness.

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