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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    First off, the number is more typically 35-40%. Secondly, as they do pay other federal taxes, what that number means is less important, less siginficant than made out to be. I think this is made clear in what I have presented.
    Maybe you missed these stories lately....

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Tax Day is a dreaded deadline for millions, but for nearly half of U.S. households it's simply somebody else's problem.

    About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009. Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability. That's according to projections by the Tax Policy Center, a Washington research organization.

    Nearly half of US households escape fed income tax - Yahoo! Finance
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    NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam, but for some people it simply is not true.

    In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

    47% of households owe no tax - and their ranks are growing - Sep. 30, 2009
    Or this one...

    About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009.

    Half of Americans pay no federal income tax - Business - Personal finance - Tax Tactics - msnbc.com
    So your little statement about 35% to 40% is dead wrong today. care to take a rare moment and admit your wrong?

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    No j, I haven't missed any of them. And no, if you read for comprehension what was said, you will find I am not wrong. Again, read the link, which mentions 2009.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Which is limiting to the point of being misleading. So, no, let's not keep it to federal income tax. Read the link I posted, as it expalins nicely why not.
    Yes, the WH lie about this....Let's start with the first paragraph from CBP that you posted...It make the claim that payroll tax is people paying taxes, however, if you add up the payroll tax for a year, and lets say you paid $3,000.00, and then at the end of the year you did your taxes and got a rebate net of $4,500.00 back. Did you pay any tax? No! you were a recipient. plain and simple.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No j, I haven't missed any of them. And no, if you read for comprehension what was said, you will find I am not wrong. Again, read the link, which mentions 2009.
    I do comprehend just fine Joe, and I think that it isn't so much my comprehension as it is your pretzel logic.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, the WH lie about this....Let's start with the first paragraph from CBP that you posted...It make the claim that payroll tax is people paying taxes, however, if you add up the payroll tax for a year, and lets say you paid $3,000.00, and then at the end of the year you did your taxes and got a rebate net of $4,500.00 back. Did you pay any tax? No! you were a recipient. plain and simple.

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    Question:
    Why is this important?
    Should we raise taxes for those people?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Question:
    Why is this important?
    Should we raise taxes for those people?
    Yes.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The only thing they have to do to ensure that Obama fails with the budget and the economy is to let him have his way on everything.
    Then why not just do that? Why not let him do whatever he likes? Then when his intiatives do fail, your side can come along and say in one big loud unified voice, "See! We told you so!!"

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    well, it's not like Democrats have been exactly low-key on the fact that they consider a government shut-down to be politically advantageous to them.



    According to the government’s own surveys, the typical “poor” American has cable or satellite TV, two color TVs, and a DVD player or VCR. He has air conditioning, a car, a microwave, a refrig*erator, a stove, and a clothes washer and dryer. He is able to obtain medical care when needed. His home is in good repair and is not overcrowded. By his own report, his family is not hungry, and he had sufficient funds in the past year to meet his family’s essential needs. While this individual’s life is not affluent, it is far from the images of dire poverty conveyed by liberal activists and politicians.

    Various government reports contain the following facts about persons defined as “poor” by the Census Bureau:

    Nearly 40 percent of all poor households actu*ally own their own homes. On average, this is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.

    Eighty-four percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, in 1970, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.

    Nearly two-thirds of the poor have cable or satellite TV.

    Only 6 percent of poor households are over*crowded; two-thirds have more than two rooms per person.

    The typical poor American has as much or more living space than the average individual living in most European countries. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)

    Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 31 percent own two or more cars.

    Ninety-eight percent of poor households have a color television; two-thirds own two or more color televisions.

    Eighty-two percent own microwave ovens; 67 percent have a DVD player; 73 percent have a VCR; 47 percent have a computer.

    The average intake of protein, vitamins, and minerals by poor children is indistinguishable from that of children in the upper middle class. Poor boys today at ages 18 and 19 are actually taller and heavier than middle-class boys of similar age were in the late 1950s. They are a full inch taller and ten pounds heavier than the GIs who stormed the beaches of Normandy during World War II....



    now, we do have some actual poor in this country. but by any historical or world standard?

    I've been "poor" (in that my family qualified for government aid etc). When I was "poor" I had an apartment, two vehicles, was able to feed my family, and even had a few dollars left over at the end of the (most months) month to sock into savings. I've been overseas (heck, I am overseas) - my lifestyle as a "poor" person in America was way above average for this ole world.
    Yeah, you're right, poor people don't deserve basic cooking devices or any sort of entertainment. They should boostrap themselves if they want modern communications technology like a cell phone.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Yes, the WH lie about this....Let's start with the first paragraph from CBP that you posted...It make the claim that payroll tax is people paying taxes, however, if you add up the payroll tax for a year, and lets say you paid $3,000.00, and then at the end of the year you did your taxes and got a rebate net of $4,500.00 back. Did you pay any tax? No! you were a recipient. plain and simple.

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    J, no one in what I posted disputes that. Read it clearly.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Yeah, you're right, poor people don't deserve basic cooking devices or any sort of entertainment. They should boostrap themselves if they want modern communications technology like a cell phone.
    Not what he said....but hey, If you are living off the taxpayer, I don't think I should have to pay for your damned cell phone.

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