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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see, so the world started with George Bush?


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    No but the 47% malarkey did and I just proved it to you.

    And Turtle has been schooled on this many many times and should be able to recite it from memory by this time he has seen it so much.

    The Progressive Income Tax was authorized by the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. And who do we have to thank for championing that bit of progressive taxation?

    On June 16, 1909, President William Howard Taft, in an address to Congress, proposed a 2% federal income tax on corporations by way of an excise tax and a constitutional amendment to allow the previously enacted income tax.
    Upon the privilege of doing business as an artificial entity and of freedom from a general partnership liability enjoyed by those who own the stock.[19][20]
    An income tax amendment to the Constitution was first proposed by Senator Norris Brown of Nebraska. He submitted two proposals, Senate Resolutions Nos. 25 and 39. The amendment proposal finally accepted was Senate Joint Resolution No. 40, introduced by Senator Nelson W. Aldrich of Rhode Island, the Senate majority leader and Finance Committee Chairman.[21]
    President Taft was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Brown was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Adrich was a REPUBLICAN.

    Turtle rants, rails, whines and cries about the Democrats when the Progressive Income tax was sponsored and led by Republicans. He screams and yelps loudly about Democrats and the 47% who pay no federal income tax but 90% of the votes to create that situation came from Republicans and was in fact proposed by a Republican President just like the 16th Amendment was.

    Yeah - I know - its a real bitch when the historical record bites you firmly in the backside like this. But reality is reality is reality.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that seems to be true with so many dems.

    they forget how the Wilson era government structured the income tax

    how the LBJ war on poverty accentuated New Deal handouts

    how the New Deal created all sorts of new powers for congress in degradation of the Tenth amendment
    When I had a point to make - I went to the historical record and proved it with facts and figures.

    I suggest if you want to have even an ounce of credibility for you positions, you do the same.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah, cause' unlike the Republicans, we didn't want to see the govt. shutdown.

    unlike the GOP, who saw a govt. shutdown as a campaign strategy. selfish bastards.

    Is it selfish to not want to see this country devolve into 190% of GDP spending?

    Is it selfish to stand up and say enough is enough when it comes to this reckless administration and their dictates?

    I don't think so.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Progressive Income Tax was authorized by the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. And who do we have to thank for championing that bit of progressive taxation?



    President Taft was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Brown was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Adrich was a REPUBLICAN.

    Turtle rants, rails, whines and cries about the Democrats when the Progressive Income tax was sponsored and led by Republicans. He screams and yelps loudly about Democrats and the 47% who pay no federal income tax but 90% of the votes to create that situation came from Republicans and was in fact proposed by a Republican President just like the 16th Amendment was.
    great post!!!!!


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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that seems to be true with so many dems.

    they forget how the Wilson era government structured the income tax

    how the LBJ war on poverty accentuated New Deal handouts

    how the New Deal created all sorts of new powers for congress in degradation of the Tenth amendment
    I'm sorry, but if you expect Obama to carry the entire burden irrespective of Bush, then you can't point out who ****ed up much earlier in the game. Common logic must apply.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No but the 47% malarkey did and I just proved it to you.

    And Turtle has been schooled on this many many times and should be able to recite it from memory by this time he has seen it so much.

    The Progressive Income Tax was authorized by the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. And who do we have to thank for championing that bit of progressive taxation?



    President Taft was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Brown was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Adrich was a REPUBLICAN.

    Turtle rants, rails, whines and cries about the Democrats when the Progressive Income tax was sponsored and led by Republicans. He screams and yelps loudly about Democrats and the 47% who pay no federal income tax but 90% of the votes to create that situation came from Republicans and was in fact proposed by a Republican President just like the 16th Amendment was.

    Yeah - I know - its a real bitch when the historical record bites you firmly in the backside like this. But reality is reality is reality.
    Republicans were way more Left back then, too.

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    great post!!!!!

    Aw shucks ...... thank you.

    But it will do little good as some here scorn actual evidence and the historical record is routinely ignored in favor of the hysterical.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Republicans were way more Left back then, too.
    Compared to 2011, Atilla the Hun was more left.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Aw shucks ...... thank you.

    But it will do little good as some here scorn actual evidence and the historical record is routinely ignored in favor of the hysterical.
    "don't confuse me with the facts".


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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No but the 47% malarkey did and I just proved it to you.

    And Turtle has been schooled on this many many times and should be able to recite it from memory by this time he has seen it so much.

    The Progressive Income Tax was authorized by the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. And who do we have to thank for championing that bit of progressive taxation?



    President Taft was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Brown was a REPUBLICAN.
    Senator Adrich was a REPUBLICAN.

    Turtle rants, rails, whines and cries about the Democrats when the Progressive Income tax was sponsored and led by Republicans. He screams and yelps loudly about Democrats and the 47% who pay no federal income tax but 90% of the votes to create that situation came from Republicans and was in fact proposed by a Republican President just like the 16th Amendment was.

    Yeah - I know - its a real bitch when the historical record bites you firmly in the backside like this. But reality is reality is reality.

    Not a bitch at all. In fact though you have just a little bit off on your actual history....Income tax probably more accurately goes back to Lincoln in the 1860's

    But the real bastardization of this system was in history almost always by demo's and "progressives".... Woodrow Wilson is a good example of a real "pregressive" bastard when it came to the course of the corrupt system we have now...FDR another. When asked why Roosevelt would take 99.5% of the nations wealthy income, he responded with an arrogant "Why not"....

    In fact, it can probably have a pretty strong case made that the Progressive tax system is closer to a Marx vision than anything else we banter about.

    The philosophy underlying the system of progressive taxation is that the income and the wealth of the well-to-do classes can be freely tapped. What the advocates of these tax rates fail to realize is that the greater part of the incomes taxed away would not have been consumed but saved
    and invested. In fact, this fiscal policy does not only prevent the further accumulation of new capital. It brings about capital decumulation.

    -Ludwig von Mises

    Minnesota Family Council: Why Marx liked progressive income tax and inheritance taxes. What's it say about taxation in the US and West.
    Another very smart economists is this man...

    The principle behind the progressive income tax—which asserts that the more you earn, the larger the percentage of tax you must pay—is not what the nation’s Founders wanted. An attempt by Congress to impose one late in the nineteenth century was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. It took a constitutional amendment, ratified in 1913, for such a tax to be legal.

    The income tax of 1913 started small, but grew quickly in size and scope. The top rate was first set at a mere 7 percent—and married couples were only taxed on income over $4,000 (equivalent to $80,000 in today’s dollars). During the tax debate, William Shelton, a Georgian, supported the income tax "because none of us here have $4,000 incomes, and somebody else will have to pay the tax." Or, as another wag later said, "Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax that man behind the tree." The seeds of class warfare were sown in the strategy of different rates for different incomes.

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    Presidents Herbert Hoover and Franklin Roosevelt, using the excuses of depression and war, permanently enlarged the income tax. Under Herbert Hoover, the top rate was hiked from 24 to 63 percent. Under Franklin Roosevelt, the top rate was again raised — first to 79 percent and later to 90 percent. In 1941, in fact, Roosevelt proposed a 99.5 percent marginal rate on all incomes over $100,000. "Why not?" he said when an advisor questioned this tactic.

    After that proposal failed, Roosevelt issued an executive order to tax all income over $25,000 at the astonishing rate of 100 percent.

    What's Wrong with the Progressive Income Tax? [Mackinac Center]
    Why is it that you liberals believe that what a man earns is not his?

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