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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course you are right and history backs you up. It is sad that people allow their belief systems to overload their mental processes and count for more than actual facts and the historical record.

    check this out for the actual facts that it was Republicans which pushed and passed this 47% situation

    Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    But they'll be damned if they actually go and "fix" the "problem" of 47% "not paying taxes" that the Republicans created in the first place.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Excuse me?

    Which side created the current tax system that lead 47% of people not to pay federal income taxes?

    I'll give you a clue, it wasn't the democrats.

    both parties did. there were many people who were getting more from the federal government than they paid in income tax long before Bush used this ploy to get dems to vote as well for tax cuts on the rich



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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes it matters a great deal when you yourself spred false information like this



    The truth always matters.
    I said nothing false. Nice try but you have proven nothing

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why I have insisted on every time this subject comes up is that any discussion of taxation in America be honest and include ALL forms of TAXATION paid by ALL citizens to ALL levels of government. It is intellectually dishonest and borders on outright fraud and deception for anyone to focus on a single tax paid to single level of government. The apologists on the far right want to pretend that the large number of regressive taxes that are paid by average working people should not be included in a discussion about taxation since they favor focusing on the only really progressive tax that is suppose to hit the wealthy harder than others. They are dishonest and their intentions are to decieve the American people from a true picture of taxation in America in order to purse a public policy or selfishness and greed.
    To many in the middle it seems that the arguments from both ends of the spectrum are dishonest and tend to look for slivers of truth in a pile of bull****. When talking about federal programs it seems that we should be looking at federal revenues to pay for them. If you want to make the argument about federal excise taxes and payroll taxes, that seems a reasonable argument and there are stances on both sides to debate. When you throw in city city and state sales taxes, what does that have to do with a reasoned debate about how the federal government gets in tax receipts.

    My sense if that to the great middle of America, they are fed up with half truths and outright lies by both extremes. A pox on both your houses!

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    both parties did.

    Really????? And with equal or nearly equal support from both parties??????

    Lets look at the facts:

    The 2001 Bush tax cuts had the following votes

    House of Representative
    Republicans YES 211 NO 0 (thats zero)
    Democrats YES 28 NO 153

    Senate
    Republicans YES 46
    Democrats YES 12

    2003 Bush tax cut bill
    House
    Republicans YES 224 NO 1
    Democrats YES 7 NO 198

    Senate
    Republicans YES 48 NO 3
    Democrats YES 2 NO 46

    Add those YES votes up. Republicans cast a total of 529 YES votes for the two Bush tax cut bills. Democrats cast 49 total votes for the same bills. More than ten Republicans cast YES votes for every one Democrat that cast a YES vote.

    Given that this was a Republican President who came up with this idea and that over 91% of the YES votes came from Republicans, the idea floated that this was from both parties, is disingenuous in the extreme. And then for the same person to continually and constantly attack Democrats for making this situation possible, it is bordering on intellectual fraud.
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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    I see, so the world started with George Bush?


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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really????? And with equal or nearly equal support from both parties??????

    Lets look at the facts:

    The 2001 Bush tax cuts had the following votes

    House of Representative
    Republicans YES 211 NO 0 (thats zero)
    Democrats YES 28 NO 153

    Senate
    Republicans YES 46
    Democrats YES 12

    2003 Bush tax cut bill
    House
    Republicans YES 224 NO 1
    Democrats YES 7 NO 198

    Senate
    Republicans YES 48 NO 3
    Democrats YES 2 NO 46

    Add those YES votes up. Republicans cast a total of 529 YES votes for the two Bush tax cut bills. Democrats cast 49 total votes for the same bills. More than ten Republicans cast YES votes for every one Democrat that cast a YES vote.

    Given that this was a Republican President who came up with this idea and that over 91% of the YES votes came from Republicans, the idea floated that this was from both parties, is disingenuous in the extreme. And then for the same person to continually and constantly attack Democrats for making this situation possible, it is bordering on intellectual fraud.
    You seem to forget Obama and the democrats have extended those tax cuts

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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Poor haymarket, you still fixate on one vote and you forget what happened all before. remind me what the Wilson era income tax rates applied to in terms of percentages of the population



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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I see, so the world started with George Bush?


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    that seems to be true with so many dems.

    they forget how the Wilson era government structured the income tax

    how the LBJ war on poverty accentuated New Deal handouts

    how the New Deal created all sorts of new powers for congress in degradation of the Tenth amendment



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    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You seem to forget Obama and the democrats have extended those tax cuts
    yeah, cause' unlike the Republicans, we didn't want to see the govt. shutdown.

    unlike the GOP, who saw a govt. shutdown as a campaign strategy. selfish bastards.

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