Page 17 of 52 FirstFirst ... 7151617181927 ... LastLast
Results 161 to 170 of 512

Thread: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

  1. #161
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    The greatest city on Earth
    Last Seen
    08-04-12 @ 04:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    31,089

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Well said!!!
    society has decided that we owe the govt. income tax. its not due to who we are, where we are, what we do.

    its based on how much we earn, and the concept that since we all benefit from a well-functioning govt., we should all help fund it.

  2. #162
    Sage
    Hatuey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:28 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    42,018

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if the law says you owe taxes, then you owe taxes.
    Yes and in a discussion where the political understanding is not above the 12th grade, then this would be over. However it's not. You said that people owe something to society. That's not true at all. I owe for what I use and nothing else. If I am using a road, I should be taxed for its maintanence. If I use water, then I should be taxed for its use. Everything else I am taxed for is out of my own adherence to whatever social contract I have drawn for myself. In some places of the US there is a stronger belief that there is a social contract that all must blindly obey. In others, people question it. To simply say that everybody actually "owes" anything to a social contract that only exists in your mind is ridiculous. Even the most ardent liberals wouldn't agree with you that they "owe" anything to society.
    I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

  3. #163
    Educator

    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Last Seen
    07-08-11 @ 01:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    1,235

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes and in a discussion where the political understanding is not above the 12th grade, then this would be over. However it's not. You said that people owe something to society. That's not true at all. I owe for what I use and nothing else. If I am using a road, I should be taxed for its maintanence. If I use water, then I should be taxed for its use. Everything else I am taxed for is out of my own adherence to whatever social contract I have drawn for myself. In some places of the US there is a stronger belief that there is a social contract that all must blindly obey. In others, people question it. To simply say that everybody actually "owes" anything to a social contract that only exists in your mind is ridiculous. Even the most ardent liberals wouldn't agree with you that they "owe" anything to society.
    So if you haven't ever used a federal interstate in Florida you don't owe any taxes for that, but you owe it for the part of it in NY? I don't follow.

  4. #164
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

  5. #165
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    The greatest city on Earth
    Last Seen
    08-04-12 @ 04:27 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    31,089

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I owe for what I use and nothing else.
    I have never been on welfare or Medicaid, nor do I ever plan on it.

    when do I get back my share of taxes that helped pay for these programs?

    I have never had a fire. When do I get back my city taxes that went to the FDNY?

  6. #166
    User
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Last Seen
    04-08-14 @ 10:11 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    56

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    does someone else want to explain this idiotic math error

    if you pay a 36% tax rate and that rate is increased to 39.6% that is about a 10% increase in the amount of money taken from your next dollar. NOT A 3% increase. figure it out and understand why you just made a rather gaping error
    Actually I think that you may be debating the marginal versus the effective tax rate impact. While top rate change is a larger increase on your next dollar it does not impact any tax that you owe in the lower brackets. So the impact on your effective tax rate is dependent on how many of those next dollars you actually make.

    Based on the 2011 tax tables the top rate of 35% starts at 379,150. Without taking anything else into account (deductions, exemptions, credits, etc...) if you made 500,000 in salary you would owe 152,314 at the 35% rate. If the top rate was raised to 38% you would end up owing 155,939.50. For an increase of 3,625.50. This is a .7 percentage point increase in your effective tax rate, from 30.5% to 31.2%.

    Of course as you make more money the impact is greater because more of your money is taxed at the higher rate. So if you made a million dollars your taxes would be 18,625.50 higher at the higher rate. In this case your effective rate goes up 1.9 percentage points, from 32.7% to 34.6%.

  7. #167
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    if the law says you owe taxes, then you owe taxes.

    this guy is arguing that if someone does not pay his taxes, that have been approved by our govt., and the IRS siezes some of his money to pay his debts, this is theft.
    No I am arguing that when they raise taxes and do not cut spending or balance the budget it is wealth redistribution and legal theft

  8. #168
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah, NOW they do.

    how about 5 years ago???
    Does not matter. That is why they lost power in 2006

  9. #169
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    again, internet debate forum members don't get to decide what constitutes "theft".

    society does. and through our representatives, NO state in the Union has branded the IRS garnishing wages or seizing assets to make up for unpaid taxes, as "theft".

    sorry. case closed.
    Wrong theft does not have to be illegal.

  10. #170
    Banned
    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Location
    melbourne florida
    Last Seen
    09-24-15 @ 12:15 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    13,156

    Re: Republicans Say They’re Open to ‘Revenue Raisers’

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    That makes no sense. If they are poor and can not afford insurance the government provides it. You can not be refused medical service because you can not afford it.

Page 17 of 52 FirstFirst ... 7151617181927 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •