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    California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    The military alleges that a Lesbian couple -- one a Marine, the other a civilian -- decided to live together off base and wanted to collect the $1,200 housing benefit granted to married Marines.

    The female Marine found a male Marine willing to get married, allowing them to collect the housing benefit, and the civilian woman also eventually married a Marine and collected funds, 1st Lt. Maureen Dooley, a spokeswoman at Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego, said Saturday.

    The female Marine, Cpl. Ashley Vice, told San Diego's KGTV-TV that she and her partner, Jaime Murphy, were forced to enter sham marriages because the military does not provide allowances for unmarried couples and they couldn't afford to live off base without the extra money. She and her partner only wanted to "be a family," Vice said.
    I was originally opposed to the repeal of DADT because I was worried that the military would suffer additional burdens in the form of lawsuits and requirements of special treatment for gay or lesbian members.

    I changed my position on the issue when many of you made clear that lawsuits against the military for discrimination etc. are not allowed under current law. With that in mind, I would like to know if any of you now think the individuals in this story should get special treatment and not be charged with a crime.

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    I don't think so. I'm not a person that cares much what gay people do, and this is not really even about gay, IMO. It is people lying to cheat the gov't, just like welfare people do. Some may choose to say "Well, if they were allowed to marry, blahblah..", but the fact is they weren't, and they chose to do things this way. Lots of people cheat the system, but for some reason I hold military to a higher standard of honor. Is that fair of me? I have no idea.
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    I know it is illegal for citizens to marry illegals just to get them citizenship. Not that this is like that, but an example that there are laws on the books about cheating to get gov't benies. IMO people that intentionally do things just to cheat the gov't (tax payers), they should be punished.
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    Well, yeah they should face the penalty, sure they're in a ****ty situation that needs to be changed, but until it is they're accountable for their actions.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    These kinds of marriages happen with hetero couples all the time in the service. Now that DADT has been lifted, it will happen with homo couples, as well.

    There's no doubt that straight soldiers will enter into sham marriages to collect the bennies. That's where the showball is going to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krickitt View Post
    I don't think so. I'm not a person that cares much what gay people do, and this is not really even about gay, IMO. It is people lying to cheat the gov't, just like welfare people do. Some may choose to say "Well, if they were allowed to marry, blahblah..", but the fact is they weren't, and they chose to do things this way. Lots of people cheat the system, but for some reason I hold military to a higher standard of honor. Is that fair of me? I have no idea.
    It is my understanding that the “we only did it because we aren’t allowed to marry” excuse is what the individuals who were caught are trying to use.

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    I was originally opposed to the repeal of DADT because I was worried that the military would suffer additional burdens in the form of lawsuits and requirements of special treatment for gay or lesbian members.

    I changed my position on the issue when many of you made clear that lawsuits against the military for discrimination etc. are not allowed under current law. With that in mind, I would like to know if any of you now think the individuals in this story should get special treatment and not be charged with a crime.
    I sympathize with the individuals involved, but breaking the rules is breaking the rules. You can't afford to live off-base? Live on-base. If you can't live off-base without the housing allowance, then either wait until gay marriage passes in California, or wait until your fiscal situation is more sound. A sham marriage is a sham marriage. Fraud and larceny is fraud and larceny. If you plan on breaking the rules, you better be prepared to face the consequences. You do the crime, you do the time.

    On a different note, how exactly do you determine if a marriage is a "sham"?
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    These kinds of marriages happen with hetero couples all the time in the service. Now that DADT has been lifted, it will happen with homo couples, as well.

    There's no doubt that straight soldiers will enter into sham marriages to collect the bennies. That's where the showball is going to start.
    When they are caught, they are held to account. There are quite a few instances where this has happened.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It is my understanding that the “we only did it because we aren’t allowed to marry” excuse is what the individuals who were caught are trying to use.
    Not only that, they double dipped.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    When they are caught, they are held to account. There are quite a few instances where this has happened.
    They only catch about 1% ofthe service members who engage in this activity.

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