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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I agree intent is the key, but it's VERY hard to prove if someone is marrying PURELY to gain financial benefits from the military/government. If they don't admit it, they just make up stories.
    Well, these guys are busted. Hopefully, the next potential fraudsters take a lesson from these guys.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    But they were in love when they got married. That's the whole point. If you get marry to gain, then your gain is based on fraudulent actions.
    where is the fraud.
    the law says they must meet conditions to receive a marriage license. they do that and then says their vows ... which can be of their own creation
    they have thus fulfilled the legal contract of marriage
    how is that fraudulent

    excuse the sting, but here goes
    you are presently in a marriage but your husband is living with another woman
    does that cause your own marriage to be fraudulent?

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Does me telling you "it goes to intent" help any? Every single thing you've described does not equal "we're getting married so we can have the marriage monies."
    some people get married to have sex
    is that a superior reason than the marines wanting to get married to have a family
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you are presently in a marriage but your husband is living with another woman
    does that cause your own marriage to be fraudulent?
    No, it causes my own marriage to be dead. No sting, no worries.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    No, it causes my own marriage to be dead. No sting, no worries.
    so why are those couples, married to others than those with whom they are living, found to be in marriages less illegal than your own
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so why are those couples, married to others than those with whom they are living, found to be in marriages less illegal than your own
    Like I said above. Intent. They married someone they didn't love to gain military monies.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Like I said above. Intent. They married someone they didn't love to gain military monies.
    the marines should have stood strong and forced the authorities to prove "intent"
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the marines should have stood strong and forced the authorities to prove "intent"
    the Marines are their own authorities in this case, I believe (at least with the corporal). I'm not sure how the military found out, but the women pretty much admitted that the marriage was fraudulent.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i realize they have (stupidly) fallen on their swords (a marine thing maybe) and confessed that they manipulated the system. so, they have given up their defense (again, stupidly ... insert playful marine reference here)

    but let's instead assume that the two couples shared a home, as two married couples ... only they did not sleep with their spouses
    since they have a marriage license, said their vows and fufilled the requirements of a marriage contract under the law, what would make their marriages unlawful?
    Federal law.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    where is the fraud.
    the law says they must meet conditions to receive a marriage license. they do that and then says their vows ... which can be of their own creation
    they have thus fulfilled the legal contract of marriage
    how is that fraudulent

    excuse the sting, but here goes
    you are presently in a marriage but your husband is living with another woman
    does that cause your own marriage to be fraudulent?


    some people get married to have sex
    is that a superior reason than the marines wanting to get married to have a family
    Here is the problem with it as it relates to this story:

    The Corps subsidizes a portion of a marine’s housing expenses if the marine lives off base. The Marine can also choose to live on base but they get no housing subsidies.

    What these marines and civilian did is they told the Corps that marines were living in housing they weren’t actually living in and scammed the Corps for around $75,000, according to the article, because the Corps was paying for 3 marines housing where only 1 marine lived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Federal law.
    please show me the federal law which states that one is required to live with their spouse
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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