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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    I agree, delta. I have a high degree of respect for the military, and hate hearing stories like this. We ask a lot of them, and I hope what they get back compensates them somehow, but it is fact that I hold them to high standards. Do NOT like seeing military folks act like welfare cheats. They are above that. Or should be. OR maybe I am too harsh. But-- joining the military in this time is voluntary, and they need to follow the rules and set the standard we all should follow.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by jding View Post
    Yes this is fraud, but there's a human ingredient here. Do they deserve the punishment of the law, I believe yes since they broke the law. But if the current law do not allow same sex marriages, I think we have to reconsider this. The bottom line is we are discriminating towards gays in many aspects. For regular people like ourselves, we can just be who we are. But for gays, they have to choose to 'come out' even then they face numerous discrimination from others. That in itself is quite unfair.

    I'm originally from China, I can not tell you the discrimination gays face there. It's treated like a disease. No one can just 'came out' like here. US although far ahead of China is still not quite the notion of 'equality' for gays. For a society based on human rights, it really troubles me to see gays cannot get the equal rights here.
    It is en route though. We're working on it. New York passing was HUGE, in my estimation.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    ok
    two couples got married
    which legal marriages enabled them to enjoy financial benefits provided to legally married couples
    would someone please explain the part where what they did is illegal?
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    ok
    two couples got married
    which legal marriages enabled them to enjoy financial benefits provided to legally married couples
    would someone please explain the part where what they did is illegal?
    They weren't in love. They did it because they couldn't afford (in their estimation) to survive as a lesbian couple, so they each married a man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    They weren't in love. They did it because they couldn't afford (in their estimation) to survive as a lesbian couple, so they each married a man.
    This still brings us back to the question of what part of a sham marriage makes it illegal, what exactly is the legal basis for precisely determining what is a sham marriage and what is not. I mean, there are plenty of married people who don't really love each other, and there are plenty of estranged couples who remained married but live separately and with other partners. Legally, what's the difference? Can someone explain this to me? Thanks.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

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    I was originally opposed to the repeal of DADT because I was worried that the military would suffer additional burdens in the form of lawsuits and requirements of special treatment for gay or lesbian members.

    I changed my position on the issue when many of you made clear that lawsuits against the military for discrimination etc. are not allowed under current law. With that in mind, I would like to know if any of you now think the individuals in this story should get special treatment and not be charged with a crime.
    I favor SSM because I want all citizens in the USA treated equally regardless of race, ethnicity, religion, or sexual orientation. Equally means just that. Equality extends to the justice system. Homosexuals who break laws and commit fraud should be treated exactly the same as heterosexuals who break laws and commit fraud. This couple committed fraud. They should be charged and tried for that crime.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This still brings us back to the question of what part of a sham marriage makes it illegal, what exactly is the legal basis for precisely determining what is a sham marriage and what is not. I mean, there are plenty of married people who don't really love each other, and there are plenty of estranged couples who remained married but live separately and with other partners. Legally, what's the difference? Can someone explain this to me? Thanks.
    The marriage act. True, married people fall out of love all the damn time. But the military specifically gives money to married people. These women got married to access that money. Hence, the fraud.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    They weren't in love. They did it because they couldn't afford (in their estimation) to survive as a lesbian couple, so they each married a man.
    i would submit bill & hillary are not in love (at least not with each other) as a singular example
    their marriage is found legal
    they live apart. bill in harlem and hillary in DC ... rumors have it that the both enjoy the company of women
    marriage is a legal contract. the marines (and one civilian) got married consistent with that legal marriage contract
    now, why is it that the way they chose to live their marriages is found illegal
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    I just thought of something else.

    Do ONLY married Marines get a housing allowance to live off-base?

    Are higher-ranking enlisted single Marines able to live off-base as well, whether or not they have a housing allowance?

    I'd appreciate if someone explained the rules to me, thanks.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Some perspective, but in a different context:

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    I informed him of the penalties for filing a fraudulent marriage or fiancé petition — the Immigration Marriage Fraud Amendments Act of 1986 provides a maximum penalty of five years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine for any “individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws,” but, like most con-artists, he tried to stick to his absurd story. Most fraud perpetrators know that marriage fraud is extremely difficult to prove and few are ever punished.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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