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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Just for the record-- I think straight people that do this should also be punished. Just like I think people that choose NOT to get married to collect welfare should be punished. We can't afford this kind of fraud, and I don't care WHO it is or what their excuse is. Do the right thing. Why is that such an issue?
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Same can be said for being a white male, a black woman, an Arabic male etc.

    Stigmas will always exist. It is part of human nature.
    Sure, I only meant that the fact that it's still a big social stigma will probably discourage this kind of behavior on the part of male troops to some degree, you know. For a lot of people, being able to live in a house isn't worth being known as the "gay guy" especially if you aren't really gay.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's another one of those aspects about military life that some folks didn't give the first damn thought to when they pissed-n-moaned about DADT.
    This is more of a gay marriage issue than a DADT issue.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Sure, I only meant that the fact that it's still a big social stigma will probably discourage this kind of behavior on the part of male troops to some degree, you know. For a lot of people, being able to live in a house isn't worth being known as the "gay guy" especially if you aren't really gay.
    They can do it without anyone knowing.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Yes this is fraud, but there's a human ingredient here. Do they deserve the punishment of the law, I believe yes since they broke the law. But if the current law do not allow same sex marriages, I think we have to reconsider this. The bottom line is we are discriminating towards gays in many aspects. For regular people like ourselves, we can just be who we are. But for gays, they have to choose to 'come out' even then they face numerous discrimination from others. That in itself is quite unfair.

    I'm originally from China, I can not tell you the discrimination gays face there. It's treated like a disease. No one can just 'came out' like here. US although far ahead of China is still not quite the notion of 'equality' for gays. For a society based on human rights, it really troubles me to see gays cannot get the equal rights here.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This is more of a gay marriage issue than a DADT issue.
    They're intertwined.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Violations of the UCMJ has to be enforced rigorously to ensure the strict discipline is maintained regardless of one status.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Yeah, the double-dipping makes it that much worse, IMO. The should be given little, if any, leniency. Corporal should know better.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    The financial downside for a male in a divorce is usually horrible. I would think that would limit the amount of people stupid enough to try this scam in a hetero context.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Yeah, the double-dipping makes it that much worse, IMO. The should be given little, if any, leniency. Corporal should know better.
    You would be correct considering Corporals are now considered NCO's (non commission officers), this in it's self mandates that one will be held to even a higher standard of conduct opposed to what would be expected from a enlisted servicemen.

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