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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post

    On a different note, how exactly do you determine if a marriage is a "sham"?
    If you marry someone and then live with someone else or live alone, it becomes pretty obvious.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I sympathize with the individuals involved, but breaking the rules is breaking the rules. You can't afford to live off-base? Live on-base. If you can't live off-base without the housing allowance, then either wait until gay marriage passes in California, or wait until your fiscal situation is more sound. A sham marriage is a sham marriage. Fraud and larceny is fraud and larceny. If you plan on breaking the rules, you better be prepared to face the consequences. You do the crime, you do the time.

    On a different note, how exactly do you determine if a marriage is a "sham"?
    They couldn't live on post, either, because they're not married.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Fraud is fraud. Let them rot.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They couldn't live on post, either, because they're not married.
    I know that, I only meant that they should behave like most unmarried, dating couples. That goes for everyone, if you can't live off-base, stay in the barracks
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    So-- they are going to make this a gay marriage issue to try to sidestep that they did this thing? Weak, but I'm sure they will have a huge defense team. Don't like the laws? Get them changed. We don't change laws by breaking them, although that is often difficult to believe these days..
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They only catch about 1% ofthe service members who engage in this activity.
    Probably true. In fact, that might be the biggest downside to gays and lesbians in the military because it is much easier to spot do to the sex of partners etc.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Probably true. In fact, that might be the biggest downside to gays and lesbians in the military because it is much easier to spot do to the sex of partners etc.
    There's still a pretty big social stigma attached to being gay, though.
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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Probably true. In fact, that might be the biggest downside to gays and lesbians in the military because it is much easier to spot do to the sex of partners etc.
    It's another one of those aspects about military life that some folks didn't give the first damn thought to when they pissed-n-moaned about DADT.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    There's still a pretty big social stigma attached to being gay, though.
    Same can be said for being a white male, a black woman, an Arabic male etc.

    Stigmas will always exist. It is part of human nature.

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    Re: California Marines Accused of Sham Marriages for Money

    The double dipping part is what I have an issue with

    I can accept the singular case of a sham marriage, given the fact they couldnt live on base as a couple, but the second sham marriage goes beyond what would be acceptable in my books. It goes towards committing fraud to enrich oneself rather then making the system provide equal treatment
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