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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The bonds for SS are debt.

    The endowment of the arts and Medicare are not.
    Exactly. Public debt (link below) is required to be paid so the OASI trust fund cannot be cut off and retirees must still get paid.

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    So you want the constitution gone and a dictator Obama ?
    Dictator Obama? lol show me where to sign up for the rebellion.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What's your point? Contradictory laws now exist on the books, so the president cannot enforce them all simultaneously. Whether or not they bear his signature has no relevance to this simple principle of logic.
    Which means he should enforce the law he signed and if he signed contradicting laws he's obvioulsy retarded and not fit to be president...which is what I think anyway.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I agree. So Congress should get to work on repealing the debt ceiling entirely so that Obama (or any other president) isn't able to prioritize from among conflicting laws.
    Or...now this is gonna be radical of me, but bear with me...or they could actually control their spending and don't spend money they don't have. I know that was way out in left field of me...no pun intended.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    Which means he should enforce the law he signed and if he signed contradicting laws he's obvioulsy retarded and not fit to be president...which is what I think anyway.
    If contradictory federals laws exist, the correct way to handle it is to abide by the most recent law.

    Also, on an unrelated point, if you knew anyone with special needs, you might not be so quick to use such vulgar, despicable language.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If contradictory federals laws exist, the correct way to handle it is to abide by the most recent law.

    Also, on an unrelated point, if you knew anyone with special needs, you might not be so quick to use such vulgar, despicable language.
    I do know a few and they prefer that I not change what and I say and who I am because I do know them...they've called me retarded themselves a few times.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    If contradictory federals laws exist, the correct way to handle it is to abide by the most recent law.

    Also, on an unrelated point, if you knew anyone with special needs, you might not be so quick to use such vulgar, despicable language.
    This is correct. In actuality, though no one has realized it, the 14th really doesn't (need to) come into the matter. The most recent law is the budget, and this is the law he must enforce. If the Congress and President want a debt ceiling, it must be passed after the budget. Of course, without specific cuts or revenues being also a part of such a law, it would be an obviously incoherent piece of legislation, for which all Americans should vote out anyone who voted for or signed it. Luckily, we are, as already pointed out, in the reverse situation where the debt ceiling law is nullified by the budget law.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    “The validity of the public debt of the United States … shall not be questioned.” — The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

    What's ‘crazy talk’ is Republicans suggesting that the U.S. defaulting on its obligations isn't a ‘big deal.’

    If President Obama does his duty, ignores the unconstitutional debt ceiling and continues to meet our past obligations per the Constitutional requirement, the Republican-controlled U.S. House will most assuredly impeach him. But, of course, they were looking for an excuse for that all along.
    You need education on the issue.

    Even if Congress refused to pay debts already authorized — which no one is suggesting — the president could not provide a remedy. As the Perry plurality also stated, Congress has no duty to provide a remedy: “While the Congress is under no duty to provide remedies through the courts, the contractual obligation still exists and, despite infirmities of procedure, remains binding upon the conscience of the sovereign [emphasis added].”

    Obligations “binding on the conscience” are also recognized by Article VI of the Constitution. It obligates the payment of “All Debts” incurred under the Confederation. Nevertheless, both that provision and Section 4 rely on Congress’s power “to borrow money on credit of the United States” (Article I, Section 8).

    The struggle between House Republicans, who insist on spending cuts, and the president, who advocates higher taxes, simply exemplifies our separation-of-powers system in action. By design, the system usually forces resolutions of policy conflicts through some kind of compromise. And if the president and Congress fail to reach an agreement, the Constitution has not left the president powerless. As Senator Toomey insists, the Treasury can easily pay interest to bondholders first. The remaining funds would cover about two-thirds of the budget, and the president would simply be forced to make drastic cuts because he lacked money to pay all the bills.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not paying our bills is what is an affront to the 14th Amendment. Being deadbeats is unconstitutional.
    No one is implying not paying our debts, this is left wing lunacy talk, geared to give cover to Obama and the Dems and attack the GOP. It's aimed squarely at peopel that have no tally or clue about the Constitution or the issue at hand.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No one is implying not paying our debts, this is left wing lunacy talk, geared to give cover to Obama and the Dems and attack the GOP. It's aimed squarely at peopel that have no tally or clue about the Constitution or the issue at hand.

    If it's just a "left wing lunacy" fear tactic, then surely you should have no problem clearly articulating which parts of the government WILL be cut. And don't forget, we're talking about cuts that will take effect next month, not long-term chronic problems that you think need to be fixed. So let's see your budget plan for which of our obligations we SHOULD suddenly stop paying.

    We're going to need to reduce spending 33% next month if the debt ceiling isn't raised, and if Obama chooses not to ignore it anyway. So if defaulting on our debts is an option that's off the table for you, please tell me which parts of our budget you want to slash in the next four weeks to balance the budget. (Hint: Shutting down all non-defense discretionary spending won't get you there.)
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