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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Already have. Section 5 of the 14th Amendment. By not including the President he was excluded, this is the way that the Constitution was written. It was written where each section of government had its own powers. If one section was not included then they did not have that specific power.

    In anycase the only power that the President has when it comes to funding is through a veto. Everything else is up to Congress.
    you got me. at section 5 it does specify the congress

    but let's look again at section 4
    oops. i was right after all
    no seat of government is specified as it was in section 5
    those clever forward thinking founders
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Jesus, And you libs said Bush was shredding the Constitution....This is sad.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Jesus, And you libs said Bush was shredding the Constitution....This is sad.

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    Well, in this case, this is exactly written in the constitution. I don't know where in the constitution it says the government can wiretap your phones and monitor your email w/o a warrant.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    you got me. at section 5 it does specify the congress

    but let's look again at section 4
    oops. i was right after all
    no seat of government is specified as it was in section 5
    those clever forward thinking founders
    I'm going to be polite here.....

    Perhaps you didn't read ALL of Section 5?

    "5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article." That includes section 4.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Well, in this case, this is exactly written in the constitution. I don't know where in the constitution it says the government can wiretap your phones and monitor your email w/o a warrant.
    You didn't see that? It's in the selective applications clause....Because Obama is doing that now, and I see no outrage.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Well, in this case, this is exactly written in the constitution. I don't know where in the constitution it says the government can wiretap your phones and monitor your email w/o a warrant.
    Only if you are totally ignoring the rest of the Constitution and how it was written and ignoring section 5 of the 14th Amendment.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    I'm not saying that he should/shouldn't use this to raise the debt ceiling... I'm just saying that there is at least some what of a constitutional basis for this.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    I'm not saying that he should/shouldn't use this to raise the debt ceiling... I'm just saying that there is at least some what of a constitutional basis for this.
    Incorrect. There is NO constitutional basis for this. None. Notta. Zilch. Zip. Zero.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    please explain how acting on the authority vested by the Constitution causes the president to then be found a dictator
    I've been wondering that for some time now.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Incorrect. There is NO constitutional basis for this. None. Notta. Zilch. Zip. Zero.
    here you go. a speech written for Obama in his enforcement of the 14th amendment provisions:
    It says it “shall not be questioned.” The national debt must be paid in full, on time, regardless of any political division within our Congress. That is what the Framers intended: to set the debt obligations of our country beyond the reach of Congressional meddling. Those obligations will not be questioned as long as I am president of the United States.This action requires me to authorize borrowing that is not in conformity with the debt-limit statute. But no congressional statute can command or permit our government to violate the Constitution. I find the debt limit, to the extent that it could be construed to require national default on any obligation of our nation, to be in the words of the great chief justice John Marshall, repugnant to the Constitution and thus void.
    Is The Debt Ceiling Unconstitutional?
    ... despite the clear language of the debt ceiling statute that the Federal Government cannot borrow above the statutory limit without Congressional authority, that the President has the authority to order the Treasury Department to issue new debt in order to ensure that the national debt is not repudiated ...
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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