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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    please explain how acting on the authority vested by the Constitution causes the president to then be found a dictator
    It is clearly in you misinterpretation of said constitution. If you think that the executive has the ability to end run congresses constitutional duties when ever he sees fit, then why even have a congress?

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not raising the debt ceiling means a sharp reduction in current spending. Our budget is immediately balanced to revenues, which would mark a cut in expenditures of about 40%. We can take and make alot of temporary fixes to push out what we can save from what, but it would get very serious very fast.



    Between 1945 and 1948, Government expenditures were cut by about 66%. I'd call that pretty significant.

    Right, 66% over 3 years. Cutting 40% of total expenditures over a month would cause another depression. And again, that 66% was mostly wartime spending.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It is clearly in you misinterpretation of said constitution. If you think that the executive has the ability to end run congresses constitutional duties when ever he sees fit, then why even have a congress?

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    the president swore an oath to uphold the Constitution
    he did not swear to uphold all except the 14th amendment at section 4
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    the president swore an oath to uphold the Constitution
    he did not swear to uphold all except the 14th amendment at section 4
    And he breaks that oath when he feels like it.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And he breaks that oath when he feels like it.

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    and where exactly has he broken it?
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And he breaks that oath when he feels like it.

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    you of course have evidence of this.....pretty serious charge...

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you of course have evidence of this.....pretty serious charge...
    Lybia for one....It's in the papers.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Lybia for one....It's in the papers.

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    if you have more, please list them...and what exactly is the issue you have with libya?

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Lybia for one....It's in the papers.

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    ah. this one:
    The House refused to vote President Barack Obama the authority for U.S. military operations against Libya on Friday but stopped short of cutting off funds for the mission, a mixed message reminiscent of congressional unease on Vietnam and more recent wars.
    House vote to defund Libya mission fails - politics - Capitol Hill - msnbc.com

    so, the house refused to give Obama authority to engage in libya but it also refused to de-fund the costs associated with our libyan activities
    one would expect de-funding of that with which the congress disagreed
    but they didn't
    which appears to be implicit congressional consent in the absence of explicit congressional consent
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    show me where the president is excluded
    had the seat of government needed to have been defined, it would have been
    Already have. Section 5 of the 14th Amendment. By not including the President he was excluded, this is the way that the Constitution was written. It was written where each section of government had its own powers. If one section was not included then they did not have that specific power.

    In anycase the only power that the President has when it comes to funding is through a veto. Everything else is up to Congress.

    Section 7 - Revenue Bills, Legislative Process, Presidential Veto

    All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

    Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

    Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

    Section 8 - Powers of Congress

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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