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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    nope, i think it will continue to be a huge mounting problem.



    it just won't be the end of the world, as some are painting. we have cut larger percentages of public spending before (post-WWII, for example) and seem to have survived.
    Do you mean making harsh cuts or not raising the debt ceiling? And public spending in that respect was mainly focused on military, and it didn't cut that dramatically since hundreds of billions went to rebuild western europe too.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The president ALSO doesn't have the authority to stop funding programs and agencies which the law mandates that he fund.
    Sure he does. "fund the program at X level" doesn't require that it be funded at that level in a given time period; and should the funds not be appropriated, it's hardly as if Congress could sue him for their failure to do so. It's not as if anything happened to Congressional Democrats when they (illegally) failed to pass a Budget.

    Debt is authorized only by Congress. If Congress decides to spend X amount and then later decides not to raise X amount, then the latter decision overrides the first.


    as a side note, it's also worth pointing out that the tradition of Presidents refusing to spend monies appropriated and allocated by Congress goes all the way back to Jefferson.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Do you mean making harsh cuts or not raising the debt ceiling?
    not raising the debt ceiling means a sharp reduction in current spending. Our budget is immediately balanced to revenues, which would mark a cut in expenditures of about 40%. We can take and make alot of temporary fixes to push out what we can save from what, but it would get very serious very fast.

    And public spending in that respect was mainly focused on military, and it didn't cut that dramatically since hundreds of billions went to rebuild western europe too.
    Between 1945 and 1948, Government expenditures were cut by about 66%. I'd call that pretty significant.


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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Section 4.

    The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. ...
    delighted Obama is a Constitutional scholar who can defend his need to apply this provision of the Constitution if the congress is foolish enough to place us on the brink of default
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    delighted Obama is a Constitutional scholar who can defend his need to apply this provision of the Constitution if the congress is foolish enough to place us on the brink of default
    Read the next section....

    5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
    Now...show me where in the 14th Amendment does it even mention the President.
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    delighted Obama is a Constitutional scholar who can defend his need to apply this provision of the Constitution if the congress is foolish enough to place us on the brink of default
    Let him try it....Seems you prefer a dictator over the will of the people.

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Read the next section....



    Now...show me where in the 14th Amendment does it even mention the President.
    show me where the president is excluded
    had the seat of government needed to have been defined, it would have been
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let him try it....Seems you prefer a dictator over the will of the people.

    j-mac
    please explain how acting on the authority vested by the Constitution causes the president to then be found a dictator
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

    Obama is not serious. He wants it his way or no way that does not work

    McConnell rallies, invites Obama to Hill again - On Congress - POLITICO.com

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell took to the floor Tuesday to again invite President Barack Obama to the Hill to hash out a deal on the debt ceiling debate. McConnell made the same request last Thursday, but the White House brushed off the invite.

    “I think the best way to solve this impasse is for the president to hear what needs to be done, and how we can do it — hear what can actually pass here in Congress,” McConnell said Tuesday. “He needs to understand the principle at stake here from our point of view.”

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    Re: Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'

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    Obama Bypassing Congress on Debt Limit is 'Crazy Talk'





    I canít believe people are even considering this as an option. Things are getting really scary around here. Maybe Glenn Beck was right about the left.
    Well...it's an interesting take and if Obama goes through with it; Congress has to have the balls to take it to the courts.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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