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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Well, she is. There's no evidence of anything. They're more or less saying "we don't know what you did, but we bet you did something!"

    In another they basically charged someone with the offense of having an illness that threatens to be terminal (that's what suicide is - the terminal outcome of severe, untreated mental illness). Attempting suicide is not "negligent" or "abusive." It's a sign of someone who is profoundly sick.
    If a woman does drugs that are known to harm the fetus, would you agree that she should, of her own choosing, go get an abortion rather than carrying the baby to term?

    Also, if a newlywed couple plans to have a baby and a criminal punches the woman in the stomach, causing a miscarriage, should the loss of the baby be considered a crime?

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    If a woman does drugs that are known to harm the fetus, would you agree that she should, of her own choosing, go get an abortion rather than carrying the baby to term?

    Also, if a newlywed couple plans to have a baby and a criminal punches the woman in the stomach, causing a miscarriage, should the loss of the baby be considered a crime?
    Yes, I would agree.

    Yes, and that is covered by grievous bodily harm.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Yes, I would agree.

    Yes, and that is covered by grievous bodily harm.
    grievous bodily harm to the unborn child?

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    grievous bodily harm to the unborn child?
    No, to the woman.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    No, to the woman.
    So the loss of the baby carries no additional criminal charges.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    So the loss of the baby carries no additional criminal charges.
    Nope. Well, it does in some places, but I don't believe it should. Existing law is plenty. Grievous bodily harm can carry very heavy sentences.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Nope. Well, it does in some places, but I don't believe it should. Existing law is plenty. Grievous bodily harm can carry very heavy sentences.
    At least you are consistent. I would have to disagree with you though. While I do support limited abortion rights, I draw the line at late term abortions and I think the fetus should have all the rights and protections under the law that those of us who were born alive have in situations where the mother plans to give birth to the child.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    True, but the debate is worthless if we pretend they were all innocent and they are being arrested for having birth defects or stillborns alone.
    They are considered innocent until a conviction is obtained. This is all pretty much parlor conjecture until the verdicts are rendered.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    I also think that the father shouldn’t be forced to pay child support if he has no say in whether the mother aborts or not.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    They are considered innocent until a conviction is obtained. This is all pretty much parlor conjecture until the verdicts are rendered.
    I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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