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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I question the accuracy of your claim that Iran and/or the Taliban wouldn’t lock a woman up for this. Abortion is illegal in Iran, except when the mother’s life is in danger, and drug use is illegal too.
    So you are saying that the Taliban (who barely can read and write... and the women certainly cant) and the Iranians actively go after mothers who naturally abort and throw them in jail or have them executed? Seriously? In the Taliban case, how would they know that the woman uses drugs since only the husband is allowed near her! In the Iranian case, again how would they know since it is only the husband and near family that are allowed to talk to her....

    If nothing else, the drug use alone in Iran could get her anything from the death penalty to 70 lashes.
    Shows how much you know... if a woman is sentenced to death it is by stoning, not lashes.
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Did we read the same article? The woman was a crack-head.
    Apparently you didn't read it very thoroughly. It talked about several different cases. One where the woman used cocaine, one where she attempted suicide, and one where she didn't do anything harmful at all.
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Hummmmm, I'm surprised at some of the positions being taken here. I disagree with Mistress Nomad, but, at least, she's consistent. Even if the lady had done dangerous things that harmed her unborn child, what make this child a baby worth legal protection but not any of the other countless aborted babies?
    Are you aware that the most prolific abortionist on the planet is Mother Nature? Between about 50-70% of conceptions do not implant or abort naturally in the first few days. Of those that survive 20% (approx) will abort naturally (abortion is the correct medical term for miscarriage. So what are you suggesting - that every woman who has a positive pregnancy test is charged with murder if she does not produce a healthy live infant in 9 months time?
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Are you aware that the most prolific abortionist on the planet is Mother Nature? Between about 50-70% of conceptions do not implant or abort naturally in the first few days. Of those that survive 20% (approx) will abort naturally (abortion is the correct medical term for miscarriage. So what are you suggesting - that every woman who has a positive pregnancy test is charged with murder if she does not produce a healthy live infant in 12 months time?
    "cough"... 9 months... "cough"
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by bowerbird View Post
    Are you aware that the most prolific abortionist on the planet is Mother Nature? Between about 50-70% of conceptions do not implant or abort naturally in the first few days. Of those that survive 20% (approx) will abort naturally (abortion is the correct medical term for miscarriage. So what are you suggesting - that every woman who has a positive pregnancy test is charged with murder if she does not produce a healthy live infant in 12 months time?
    That's right, and if she fails to hold the baby in for 12 months, she should be charged with abandonment.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    So you are saying that the Taliban (who barely can read and write... and the women certainly cant) and the Iranians actively go after mothers who naturally abort and throw them in jail or have them executed? Seriously? In the Taliban case, how would they know that the woman uses drugs since only the husband is allowed near her! In the Iranian case, again how would they know since it is only the husband and near family that are allowed to talk to her....
    I was addressing the comparison you made originally. If a woman had a baby in Iran and they believed it was stillborn because of her drug addiction, I highly doubt she would get off easy. Throwing in your what-if additions to the scenario is like moving the goalposts. Choose a scenario and stick to it please.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Shows how much you know... if a woman is sentenced to death it is by stoning, not lashes.
    Actually stoning a woman to death is the punishment for adultery. In all other cases I believe they would hang her. I never implied it was “death by lashes”, I said 70 lashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    "cough"... 9 months... "cough"
    Crap = that is what happens when someone distracts you at a critical time!!
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    I was addressing the comparison you made originally. If a woman had a baby in Iran and they believed it was stillborn because of her drug addiction, I highly doubt she would get off easy. Throwing in your what-if additions to the scenario is like moving the goalposts. Choose a scenario and stick to it please.



    Actually stoning a woman to death is the punishment for adultery. In all other cases I believe they would hang her. I never implied it was “death by lashes”, I said 70 lashes.
    It actually does not matter what happens elsewhere - the way the legislation is being enacted is obscene
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Apparently you didn't read it very thoroughly. It talked about several different cases. One where the woman used cocaine, one where she attempted suicide, and one where she didn't do anything harmful at all.
    Wrong again. 2 of the women were accused of using drugs and the suicide attempt used rat poison.

    It helps to get the facts straight before saying they were all innocent and didn’t do anything wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Wrong again. 2 of the women were accused of using drugs and the suicide attempt used rat poison.

    It helps to get the facts straight before saying they were all innocent and didn’t do anything wrong.
    Yes, and the second who was accused of drug abuse with NO evidence at all. It is a completely baseless accusation.

    It helps to read the article before you claim to know the facts.

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