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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Wow. I just got here and finished reading the thread. I'm basically dumfounded by the article. If everything it states is true, then these women and many more like them are being charged for accidentally killing a foetus that they were legally entitled to abort intentionally. And in one case, a woman did everything she could to bring her pregnancy to term, the child lived for 19 minutes, and 6 months later she is charged under this "chemical endangerment" statute... a charge she denies and the article could not substantiate.

    I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around that. According to Roe v. Wade, these women had the absolute right to deliberately terminate their pregnancies; but because the pregnancies were terminated accidentally, they're facing life in prison for murder.

    This is the most invasive and blatant end-run around Roe v. Wade I've seen. We cannot on the one hand say that women have absolute reproductive choice before the age of viability, and on the other hand say that if anything happens to the pregnancy because the woman did something that unintentionally terminated the pregnancy. That makes every miscarriage a potential murder case. A pregnant woman who falls off a bike, engages in a sport or strenuous workouts, who works long hours, who drives a car, or faces any one of a thousand normal daily dangers subsequently miscarries, she could be held responsible and charged with murder.

    Look, my heart goes out to babies born of drug users, alcoholics, etc., but when it comes to a time where women are imprisoned for life because they miscarried, there is something very wrong with the system. This is an invasive, and in my view an unconstitutional violation of women's basic human rights. I'm really appalled... and stunned that so many people actually support what is being done here.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    It seems to me that prosecutors here (via court cases) are trying to determine the legal line of distinction between a woman's right to abort and felony criminal negligence which results in death. Obviously, the prosecutors feel that the two scenarios are neither equivalent nor mutually inclusive.

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    From what I have read of this thread so far (sorry...haven't read the whole thing yet) this thread proves why I am against making abortion illegal (one of the reasons anyways). It will lead to charges against women which should never have been made. What I am talking about is miscarriages. I don't doubt for a second that women would be charged with murder if they have a miscarriage just because they <insert whatever happens to be even remotely dangerous here>. Example: "What? That woman ate a can of tuna during her pregnancy? No wonder she had a miscarriage! Charge her with murder!".

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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    She may have originally wanted to be pregnant, but lost hope when the person she trusted bailed on her. She shouldn't be punished for that.
    Maybe you're right on that.

    I, however, do not agree that a mother doing drugs or anything that seriously endangers the life of a fetus she wants to bring to term, should not go unpunished.

    It's cruel to negligently or purposefully bring a child in the world, that could have severe handicaps.
    Not to mention the cost to the public.
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Maybe you're right on that.

    I, however, do not agree that a mother doing drugs or anything that seriously endangers the life of a fetus she wants to bring to term, should not go unpunished.

    It's cruel to negligently or purposefully bring a child in the world, that could have severe handicaps.
    Not to mention the cost to the public.
    And my question to you is the same as my question to Cap'n C - Have you ANY idea how many substances and or lack of substances are teratogenic? (yes you will probably have to look up that word - consider it my contribution to the general improvement of the world's vocabulary)

    One of the most well documented is Folate - lack of which causes neural tube deficit (baby is born sometimes without a brain or parts of the brain and spinal chord outside the body) but there are a LOT of drugs out there with Teratogenic effects - so much so that EVERY drug has the effects during pregnancy listed. What is NOT listed because they are not known is the common toxins found around the average household

    But one of the most common teratogens is simply alcohol
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    Re: Outcry in America as pregnant women who lose babies face murder charges

    Wonder when they are going to start charging fat women..... or too skinny women.... or women that exercise "too much" during their pregnancy... talk about a slippery slope!

    But it is all part of the war against women by the GOP and the religious radical right.
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