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Sudanese Army Invades Libya

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Sudanese army seizes southern Libyan town - Telegraph

Officials overseeing the no-fly zone enforced by Nato over Libya said the Sudanese move north of border had not encountered resistance from troops loyal to Col Muammar Gaddafi.
Officials said control of the town of Kufra and nearby military base granted the Sudanese a key strategic foothold between the regime and the opposition Transitional National Council (TNC) which holds the eastern seaboard and a series of rebel enclaves.

It seems Sudan is trying to reestablish itself in the global oil market. With South Sudan to become an independent country on the 9th, Sudan will lose a vast majority of it's oil production with it. People are speculating that they are taking advantage of the situation in Libya and trying gain some of Libya's oil fields.

They seem to be rogue in this. Not siding with the NTC or Ghadaffi.

Any thoughts?
 
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Sudanese army seizes southern Libyan town - Telegraph



It seems Sudan is trying to reestablish itself in the global oil market. With South Sudan to become an independent country on the 9th, Sudan will lose a vast majority of it's oil production with it. People are speculating that they are taking advantage of the situation in Libya and trying gain some of Libya's oil fields.

They seem to be rogue in this. Not siding with the NTC or Ghadaffi.

Any thoughts?

Noooooooooooow we got a **** storm!

NATO--yes, Obama too--will have no choice but to deploy combat units. Primarily, to prevent a bloodbath, but also to push the Sudies back into Sudan. That's not going to sit well with China, at all.

The Sudies have a much larger, better armed and more experienced armed forces than Libya. I doubt Gaddafi's forces can take them, mush less fight the rebels at the same time. And, the rebels sure as hell can fight both at one time. The rebels would be doing the smart thing by burying the hatchet with Gaddafi for a while, until the Sudies are runned off.

This has the potential to get real ugly.
 
It is NATO's job to protect Libya from outside forces. They are the ones who were trying to kill the country's leader and weaked their defenses.
 
The key point here was/is to limit our activity in the area of conflict....Too late.

Obama has acted in a totally nonsensical, shameful and childish way and has gotten the US involved in a civil war in Libya. Trying to create democracies or even tear down dictatorships when there was/is no threat to American interests.

Stupid assed Obama has now tied us to a world of political and military intrigue from which, the US cannot abandon until it is too late and we have lost treasure and blood, more importantly blood, in war that is not ours.
 
Stupid assed Obama has now tied us to a world of political and military intrigue from which, the US cannot abandon until it is too late and we have lost treasure and blood, more importantly blood, in war that is not ours.

I don't believe there have been any U.S casualties so far, no?
 
Sudanese army seizes southern Libyan town - Telegraph



It seems Sudan is trying to reestablish itself in the global oil market. With South Sudan to become an independent country on the 9th, Sudan will lose a vast majority of it's oil production with it. People are speculating that they are taking advantage of the situation in Libya and trying gain some of Libya's oil fields.

They seem to be rogue in this. Not siding with the NTC or Ghadaffi.

Any thoughts?

Sudan needs to back the hell off! We got there first. If anyone is killing people for oil and water it's by gawd America! We decide who gets attacked and owned in Africa now. Just who in the hell does Sudan think it is?

I know! Let's invade Sudan! :gunner: :peace :blastem:
 
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I don't believe there have been any U.S casualties so far, no?

We keep going back to history. Past performance is the best indicator of future performance.
 
Sudan needs to back the hell off! We got there first. If anyone is killing people for oil and water it's by gawd America! We decide who gets attacked and owned in Africa now. Just who in the hell does Sudan think it is?

I know! Let's invade Sudan! :gunner: :peace :blastem:

The next example of just how bad-to-the-bone the United States armed forces realy are. :rofl

Unless the Chicoms get involved; then it's gonna get nastay.
 
Has anyone seen any other reports on this? It just seems like it would be a bit of a headliner if it is true.
 
Doesn't smell right. The troops met no resistance from loyalist forces. Wouldn't be surprised of Gaddaffi invited them. Then again, Libya/Sudan have had history since the seventies...though that was really more to do with Sudan's previous government.

Either way, ladies and gentlemen -- this is the first step to a unified army of the EU.
 
The article is about 48 hours old and it is the only article I can find on the subject.

I don’t think it is a big deal and I don’t expect that we will hear anything else about it because it would have been all over the news in the last 48 hours if there was really something going on here.

Just my 2 cents.
 
Yeah I'm not seeing this anywhere else.
 
If true, this is bad, very bad. I'm not sure it's exactly as it seems, however. I suspect that the Sudanese are there because they brokered a deal with one side or the other to protect the oil fields in exchange for a percentage of oil profits later on. Time will tell.
 
The article is about 48 hours old and it is the only article I can find on the subject.

I don’t think it is a big deal and I don’t expect that we will hear anything else about it because it would have been all over the news in the last 48 hours if there was really something going on here.

Just my 2 cents.

You are greatly overestimating the West's level of concern about a civil war in Africa. Since it is said to have happened without incident in some backwater desert area no one is going to give a damn. The fact no report has been given saying this did not occur tells you that no one cares enough about it to bother checking or, if they confirmed it, care enough to write about it.
 
You are greatly overestimating the West's level of concern about a civil war in Africa. Since it is said to have happened without incident in some backwater desert area no one is going to give a damn. The fact no report has been given saying this did not occur tells you that no one cares enough about it to bother checking or, if they confirmed it, care enough to write about it.

True but here is the thing, it was in Libya where there is things valuable to us and our allies so....if this happened and escalated we would have heard about it.
 
North Sudan will remain a craphole for a long long time. When the south separated, the north went full-totalitarian; it's like nK and sK. To make things more complicated, the north signed an agreement regarding the oil resources that is untenable. They get the contracts to provide labor for the wells and refineries, but they got no real estate with oil. They are screwed, totalitarian and pissed off. Thy have been involved in border skirmishes with the south for a couple months now. I would consider them unpredictable, if weak.
 
My guess is that this is Omar Bashir's last-ditch effort to regionalize the Sudan's own conflict so that he has an excuse not to recognize South Sudan's independence next week. I highly doubt it will work.
 
You are greatly overestimating the West's level of concern about a civil war in Africa. Since it is said to have happened without incident in some backwater desert area no one is going to give a damn. The fact no report has been given saying this did not occur tells you that no one cares enough about it to bother checking or, if they confirmed it, care enough to write about it.

News of my “overestimating” is greatly exaggerated.

The article’s subtitle says “The Sudanese army has seized a town in southern Libya that is the gateway to oilfields crucial to rebel hopes of establishing financial independence”. This subtitle would clearly be a big deal if the US/NATO thought Sudan was going after the oil. This is why a few posts, in response to this article, are talking about how this changes everything, because it would.

Rather than assume that this is a game changer for the U.S. in its Non-War in Libya, I did what I usually do and looked for additional information on the topic. Upon realizing there were no other articles, I verified the source and checked the date.

Now, if you will kindly read what I wrote next time you quote me, I’d appreciate it.
 
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True but here is the thing, it was in Libya where there is things valuable to us and our allies so....if this happened and escalated we would have heard about it.

Actually, the only thing of concern is getting rid of Gadafhi. So long as Sudan does not interfere with that agenda I doubt there are many important people outside of Libya who care enough to bring attention to it.
 
Actually, the only thing of concern is getting rid of Gadafhi

Why?

That notion goes against our core concepts of freedom and self determination. Self determination doesn't mean the right to decide your own course and fate so long as we agree with it. Only when their course is a threat to us and we have to do something in self defense do we have the right to interfere with another culture/nation.
 
Very bad indeed, I hope this doesn't complicate the situation there anymore.
 
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