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    U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    (Reuters) - The top U.N. human rights official urged the governor of Texas on Friday to call off the execution next week of a Mexican citizen convicted of murder who was not told of his right to diplomatic advice when arrested.

    Humberto Leal Garcia was convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl in Texas in February 1998 and his conviction was upheld the following year, a spokesman for United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights Navi Pillay said.
    U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence | Reuters

    On several fronts this is an interesting story. First we have the UN, and Mexico bitterly complaining this murderer was not aware of his "rights" nor told about them. I fail to grasp what talking to the Mexican consulate would do to change the fact. I'd say this is a failure of Mexico to educate their citizens as to their "rights" and they should look to changing their Education system.

    While his death will not return the life of his victim, it will be Justice served.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence | Reuters

    On several fronts this is an interesting story. First we have the UN, and Mexico bitterly complaining this murderer was not aware of his "rights" nor told about them. I fail to grasp what talking to the Mexican consulate would do to change the fact. I'd say this is a failure of Mexico to educate their citizens as to their "rights" and they should look to changing their Education system.

    While his death will not return the life of his victim, it will be Justice served.
    I highly doubt they would accept that excuse from a foreigner in Mexico. Come here to commit a capital crime, get a hot shot needle like the rest.

    They just don't understand Texas do they. In the words of comedian Ron White:

    Texas has the death penalty and we use it! That's right. You kill somebody in Texas, we will kill you right back! That's our policy!

    Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty. My state's putting in the express lane.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    The United States is a signatory to the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. In accordance of that treaty, foreign nationals have the right to access to representatives of their government from an embassy and consulate and to be informed of that right. If he was not granted such access, the United States is in violation of that treaty. As I have said before in similar threads, this endangers the same rights the U.S. State Department rightfully demands when U.S. citizens are held in foreign countries for whatever reason. It is a standard and bedrock practice in the relations between and among states in the international system. It doesn't mean the U.S. can't try him and eventually execute him, but he DOES have the absolute right to assistance from his government.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The United States is a signatory to the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. In accordance of that treaty, foreign nationals have the right to access to representatives of their government from an embassy and consulate and to be informed of that right. If he was not granted such access, the United States is in violation of that treaty. As I have said before in similar threads, this endangers the same rights the U.S. State Department rightfully demands when U.S. citizens are held in foreign countries for whatever reason. It is a standard and bedrock practice in the relations between and among states in the international system. It doesn't mean the U.S. can't try him and eventually execute him, but he DOES have the absolute right to assistance from his government.
    Bla h blah blah let the killer go cause oh some murdering rapist Mexican didn't get told he could call the Mexican Consulate after being arrested.

    NEVER MIND the devastated family, the dead girl or the fact said killer entered another country without tally or clue of his rights and decided to commit murder...

    I say you enter another country, commit murder and have no clue what your "rights" are, you get what's coming to you.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Bla h blah blah let the killer go cause oh some murdering rapist Mexican didn't get told he could call the Mexican Consulate after being arrested.

    NEVER MIND the devastated family, the dead girl or the fact said killer entered another country without tally or clue of his rights and decided to commit murder...

    I say you enter another country, commit murder and have no clue what your "rights" are, you get what's coming to you.
    it's not about the perp not knowing what his rights were
    he was DENIED his right to mexican counsel

    i have had to go thru American counsel to be able to access a friend held in mexican prison. but for that ability, that friend would still be languishing in mexican prison. if we deprive mexicans of this right of counsel then they will have basis to deny that same ability to American prisoners held in their jails. given their propensity for incarcerating our citizens on a whim, this is a right which needs to be preserved
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Bla h blah blah let the killer go cause oh some murdering rapist Mexican didn't get told he could call the Mexican Consulate after being arrested.

    NEVER MIND the devastated family, the dead girl or the fact said killer entered another country without tally or clue of his rights and decided to commit murder...

    I say you enter another country, commit murder and have no clue what your "rights" are, you get what's coming to you.
    No, it isn't a matter of letting him go free. It is a matter to ensure that all defendants are accorded all of the rights they have coming to them. The U.S. government insists that other states abide by international law, but why does the United States NOT have to abide by the same international laws it expects others to abide by. The State of Texas made a big blunder here. They should have allowed him access and THEN give him the trial and THEN execute him according to Texas law.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence | Reuters

    On several fronts this is an interesting story. First we have the UN, and Mexico bitterly complaining this murderer was not aware of his "rights" nor told about them. I fail to grasp what talking to the Mexican consulate would do to change the fact. I'd say this is a failure of Mexico to educate their citizens as to their "rights" and they should look to changing their Education system.

    While his death will not return the life of his victim, it will be Justice served.
    This is not the first time Texas executed a scumbag regardless of what some rats in Mexico say. Texas will execute the scumbag regardless of what some globalist trash say.


    EXECUTED - Jose Medellin - Texas Death Row - Scheduled Execution : Pro Death Penalty Information - Scheduled Executions
    Victims: Jennifer Ertmen and Elizabeth Pena

    The Crime: Medellin was convicted of the raping and killing 16-year-old Elizabeth Pena and 15-year-old Jennifer Ertman in June, 1993. His case has since gained notoriety as Mexico sued the United states in the International Court of Justice and on behalf of 54 Mexican nationals asserting that, in these cases, the US had violated the Vienna Convention, to which it is signatory, which requires that local authorities inform foreign nationals being held on criminal charges of the right to consult with their country’s diplomats. That court ruled that the United States was obliged to have the defendants’ cases reopened and reconsidered. The Supreme Court of the United States agreed to hear the case on May 1, 2007. On March 25, 2008, the US Supreme Court rejected the Bush administration's arguments and cleared the way for Texas to execute his sentence.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-03-11 at 03:13 PM.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No, it isn't a matter of letting him go free. It is a matter to ensure that all defendants are accorded all of the rights they have coming to them. The U.S. government insists that other states abide by international law, but why does the United States NOT have to abide by the same international laws it expects others to abide by. The State of Texas made a big blunder here. They should have allowed him access and THEN give him the trial and THEN execute him according to Texas law.

    Here is why states do not have to abide by a lot of international laws.Humberto Leal Garcia will be executed just like Jose Medellín was.

    Medellín v. Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Medellín v. Texas, 552 U.S. 491 (2008) is a United States Supreme Court decision which held that while an international treaty may constitute an international commitment, it is not binding domestic law unless Congress has enacted statutes implementing it or unless the treaty itself is "self-executing"; that decisions of the International Court of Justice are not binding domestic law; and that, absent an act of Congress or Constitutional authority, the President of the United States lacks the power to enforce international treaties or decisions of the International Court of Justice.[1]
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-03-11 at 03:37 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    1)

    Quote Originally Posted by US Constitution Article 6
    This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.
    2) The Vienna Convention on Consular Rights was ratified by the United States in 1969.

    3) Therefore, the Vienna Convention on Consular Rights, per the Constitution of the United States, is the law of the land, and any act to circumvent it is unconstitutional. Doesn't mean that we cannot eventually do the execution. What it means is that we must use due process, according to our own laws.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
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    2) The Vienna Convention on Consular Rights was ratified by the United States in 1969.

    3) Therefore, the Vienna Convention on Consular Rights, per the Constitution of the United States, is the law of the land, and any act to circumvent it is unconstitutional.
    The Supreme court made a decision on this. Treaties are not binding domestic law unless Congress has enacted statutes implementing it or unless the treaty itself is "self-executing".


    Funny how your opinion was different back then.
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    Screw the UN. This punk raped and murdered two teenage girls.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/archiv...-honduras.html
    For the second time in a week, the State of Texas has given the middle finger to the World Court at the Hague, and executed a murderer. Heliberto Chi had robbed and murdered his former employer in 2001.

    This execution, and the one earlier this week, when the state put to death someone who had raped and murdered two little girls, is a statement that rings loud and clear. The World Court and the UN do not own Texas. Texans do, and if Texas decides that it should execute illegal scumbags, it is going to do so. Illegal scumbags have NO rights here. If they needed someone from their own consulate, then they should have thought of that BEFORE they illegally entered the United States. It's too late for that now. If you do the crime, be prepared to pay the price. That is what happens to American citizens, and illegal aliens don't get a pass either.

    To illegal immigrants looking to game America's legal system, we have a message for you. You are NOT special, and you will get NO special treatment over and above what our own citizens get. Rape and murder little girls, rob and murder someone, or commit ANY kind of capital offense in Texas, you are going to die. Death house. No consulate, no special break, no nothing. Just death. Period. End of discussion. Now go take a hike in hell.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 07-03-11 at 03:49 PM.
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    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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