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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    He needs to die as he was sentenced to die. We can't have people coming in this country thinking they can do whatever they want because they are not citizens. On the one hand they are screaming for the rights they do not deserve because they are not here legally. HERE we see the other hand-- the one screaming that they are not citizens and deserve other rights. They are all for using our American benefits until they get the death penalty?????
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Unless congress has enacted statutes implementing it or if it is self executing then we are not obligated ourselves to uphold it.
    If the United States signs and ratifies a treaty, it is legally obligated to abide by that treaty. This is a basic tenant of international law. The U.S. insists other states abide by this treaty, it should as well.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by krickitt View Post
    He needs to die as he was sentenced to die. We can't have people coming in this country thinking they can do whatever they want because they are not citizens. On the one hand they are screaming for the rights they do not deserve because they are not here legally. HERE we see the other hand-- the one screaming that they are not citizens and deserve other rights. They are all for using our American benefits until they get the death penalty?????
    I agree with you, but every defendant has rights. As a foreign national, he has a right to contact and request assistance from his embassy/consulate. This does NOT exempt him from the penalty of his crimes. However, the State of Texas, and by extention, the U.S. is in violation of international law and its own treaties by not according him consular access.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Well, that stinks. I am from Texas, and can't believe they would make such a mistake. Now what? We support him in jail that much longer, and do the whole thing over again? I wonder what will happen?? With Perry running, possibly, he really can't make a mistake now. Of course, Texas is Texas, and it is hard to guess what would make people mad there. Probably keeping him alive..
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by krickitt View Post
    Well, that stinks. I am from Texas, and can't believe they would make such a mistake. Now what? We support him in jail that much longer, and do the whole thing over again? I wonder what will happen?? With Perry running, possibly, he really can't make a mistake now. Of course, Texas is Texas, and it is hard to guess what would make people mad there. Probably keeping him alive..
    They should have gotten it right from the beginning, then it would be perfectly ok to execute him now. I have no problem with the trial and the punishment. My problem is the lack of consular access. It is a clear violation and it potentially makes it more difficult for the US to insist on the same rights if its nationals are held in a foreign country for whatever reason.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    If the United States signs and ratifies a treaty, it is legally obligated to abide by that treaty. This is a basic tenant of international law. The U.S. insists other states abide by this treaty, it should as well.
    See Medellín v. Texas
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Even President Bush supported abiding by this treaty.
    BUsh only supported this treaty when it came to tossing Mexico's salad.
    Bush Withdraws US from Vienna Convention Protocol -- Jailed Foreigners Lose Right To See Their Consular Authorities | Democrats.com
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    See Medellín v. Texas
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    I found this-- not too long..

    Medellin v. Texas

    Medellin v. Texas

    This is the second time this matter has reached the Supreme Court. Medellin, a citizen of Mexico, was convicted of capital murder in Texas state court and sentenced to death. Medellin filed a petition for a writ of habeas corpus arguing that the state violated his rights as a foreign national to consular access under the Vienna Convention. His petition was denied in the lower courts, despite a ruling by the International Court of Justice that Medellin and others were entitled to review of their convictions based on violations of the Vienna Convention. While Medellin's case was pending in the United States Supreme Court, the Bush administration filed a brief urging the Court to rule that Medellin had no private right to seek enforcement of the Convention, but also announced that the U.S. Government would comply with the World Court decision and directed state courts to reexamine the claims of Medellin and other Mexican nationals. Accordingly, Medellin filed a new state habeas petition and asked the Supreme Court to stay its consideration of the case pending state review. The Supreme Court in a 5-4 decision dismissed Medellin’s petition and allow the state habeas case to go forward. Medellin v. Dretke.
    The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals denied Medellin's habeas petition because Medellin had not raised the issue at his trial, as required by Texas law. It held that the International Court of Justice decision was not binding federal law and, thus, did not preempt the state procedural rule requiring petitioners to raise issues at trial, and furthermore, that under the separation of powers doctrine, President Bush had no authority to order the state to reconsider Medellin's conviction.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Screw the UN, they're pieces of **** anyway. no one should have to abide by their jokes of "international laws".

    execute him.

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