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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is not the first time Texas executed a scumbag regardless of what some rats in Mexico say. Texas will execute the scumbag regardless of what some globalist trash say.


    EXECUTED - Jose Medellin - Texas Death Row - Scheduled Execution : Pro Death Penalty Information - Scheduled Executions
    Victims: Jennifer Ertmen and Elizabeth Pena

    The Crime: Medellin was convicted of the raping and killing 16-year-old Elizabeth Pena and 15-year-old Jennifer Ertman in June, 1993. His case has since gained notoriety as Mexico sued the United states in the International Court of Justice and on behalf of 54 Mexican nationals asserting that, in these cases, the US had violated the Vienna Convention, to which it is signatory, which requires that local authorities inform foreign nationals being held on criminal charges of the right to consult with their country’s diplomats. That court ruled that the United States was obliged to have the defendants’ cases reopened and reconsidered. The Supreme Court of the United States agreed to hear the case on May 1, 2007. On March 25, 2008, the US Supreme Court rejected the Bush administration's arguments and cleared the way for Texas to execute his sentence.
    note that Judge Stevens, recognizing that the law does not compel recognition of this treaty (because its implementation had not been properly effected by regulation), finds that ability to ignore the treaty undermines the interests of our nation
    On the other hand, the costs of refusing to respect theICJ’s judgment are significant. The entire Court and the President agree that breach will jeopardize the United States’ “plainly compelling” interests in “ensuring thereciprocal observance of the Vienna Convention, protecting relations with foreign governments, and demonstrating commitment to the role of international law.” Ante, at
    28. When the honor of the Nation is balanced against the modest cost of compliance, Texas would do well to recognize that more is at stake than whether judgments of the ICJ, and the principled admonitions of the President of the United States, trump state procedural rules in the absence of implementing legislation.
    The Court’s judgment, which I join, does not foreclosefurther appropriate action by the State of Texas.
    they had the right to prosecute but was it right to prosecute. the affirming Judge thinks no
    Stevens refused to be an activist Judge, but he recognized the wrong in proceeding in violation of the treaty

    (page 49) http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-984.pdf
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    At this point the only right we should be concerned with is this piece of human excrements right to die. The sooner the better. There is a song by Ray Wylie Hubbard called "Screw You Were From Texas" this trash killed one of ours and he's gonna die for it and if you don't like it., well screw you, the UN and the corrupt Mexican government. Screw all ya'll and God Bless Texas for doing the right thing. Amen
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    note that Judge Stevens, recognizing that the law does not compel recognition of this treaty (because its implementation had not been properly effected by regulation), finds that ability to ignore the treaty undermines the interests of our nation

    they had the right to prosecute but was it right to prosecute. the affirming Judge thinks no
    Stevens refused to be an activist Judge, but he recognized the wrong in proceeding in violation of the treaty

    (page 49) http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/07pdf/06-984.pdf
    How does ignoring a international law that is not enforceable undermine the interest of our nation? Mexico or France might deny some murderer the ability to see his or her consulate? Oh the horror.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How does ignoring a international law that is not enforceable undermine the interest of our nation? Mexico or France might deny some murderer the ability to see his consulate?
    read what Judge Steven had to say, expressing why it was harmful to our nation's interest to not uphold a treaty to which we obligated ourselves

    your question reminds me of the outrage of the mistreatment of our soldiers by the terrorists
    while simultaneously endorsing the waterboarding and other torture, and the practices of abu grahib
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    While I agree with the premise of the consular consultation as a right, the whole thing unfolded in the late 1990's. He's likely exhausted all his appeals as his execution is scheduled soon. This appears to be a delaying tactic or they would have brought it up much sooner. Unless they can come up with a compelling reason why that consultation would have materially altered the outcome of the case there's no reason to delay the execution. Apologize to Mexico and assure then that safeguard have been put in place to prevent it from happening again and move on. He raped and murdered a 16 yr old girl, he deserves the same as he gave to her and in the same manner. He's getting off easy by checking out with a shot.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    read what Judge Steven had to say, expressing why it was harmful to our nation's interest to not uphold a treaty to which we obligated ourselves
    Unless congress has enacted statutes implementing it or if it is self executing then we are not obligated ourselves to uphold it.

    your question reminds me of the outrage of the mistreatment of our soldiers by the terrorists
    So now the United states is like Al Queda? And your saying that if terrorists had signed this treaty then they would have abide by it?

    while simultaneously endorsing the waterboarding and other torture, and the practices of abu grahib
    Simulated drowning is not torture and it pales in comparison to anything to what the terrorist have done those they captured and killed.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    While I agree with the premise of the consular consultation as a right, the whole thing unfolded in the late 1990's. He's likely exhausted all his appeals as his execution is scheduled soon. This appears to be a delaying tactic or they would have brought it up much sooner. Unless they can come up with a compelling reason why that consultation would have materially altered the outcome of the case there's no reason to delay the execution.
    It will fail miserably as a delaying tactic because of Medellín v. Texas.

    Apologize to Mexico and assure then that safeguard have been put in place to prevent it from happening again and move on.
    The idea anyone should apologize to Mexico is laughable. The only one owed an apology is the victim's loved ones. The only one w ho owes the victim's loved ones an appology is the murderer for doing the deed and the US government for not doing its damn job to secure the border and crack down on illegals which resulted in this scumbag being able to be in the country in the first place. The only safeguard that should be in place is the government actually doing its damn job to secure the border and get rid of illegals.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Here is why states do not have to abide by a lot of international laws.Humberto Leal Garcia will be executed just like Jose Medellín was.

    Medellín v. Texas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Medellín v. Texas, 552 U.S. 491 (2008) is a United States Supreme Court decision which held that while an international treaty may constitute an international commitment, it is not binding domestic law unless Congress has enacted statutes implementing it or unless the treaty itself is "self-executing"; that decisions of the International Court of Justice are not binding domestic law; and that, absent an act of Congress or Constitutional authority, the President of the United States lacks the power to enforce international treaties or decisions of the International Court of Justice.[1]
    And this places the United States in violation of an international treaty it is a party to AND reduces the ability of the United States to insist on the same rights for US citizens overseas. DUMB! DUMB! DUMB! You can still try and execute the guy while ABIDING by the treaty. The US insists on others following international law, but the US doesn't have to abide by it? Thanks for taking the U.S. off the high road on this issue, Texas. Even President Bush supported abiding by this treaty.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    To illegal immigrants looking to game America's legal system, we have a message for you. You are NOT special, and you will get NO special treatment over and above what our own citizens get. Rape and murder little girls, rob and murder someone, or commit ANY kind of capital offense in Texas, you are going to die. Death house. No consulate, no special break, no nothing. Just death. Period. End of discussion. Now go take a hike in hell.
    Texas would still get to try and execute the cretin. However, that cretin DOES have the legal right to representation and to contact his consulate. That doesn't mean the consulate can override the justice system in the state of Texas. I know, the U.S. wants others to abide by their treaties, but the US can't abide by those that it signs. Conservatives like you make me want to puke.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How does ignoring a international law that is not enforceable undermine the interest of our nation? Mexico or France might deny some murderer the ability to see his or her consulate? Oh the horror.
    Not worried about France, but when states like China and Pakistan hold Americans who were not guilty of murder, the U.S. has been able to gain consular access to such people. Now, China can simply look at this denial by the State of Texas and say, sorry, you violate the treaty, so can we...
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