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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No part of what was signed and ratified compels Texas to review, reconsider or otherwise halt this execution. The President cannot tell Texas what to do, SC cannot tell Texas what to do, and the ICJ can't tell Texas what to do. If you want to take away Texas' jurisdiction, you need to go through Congress.
    1. Read Article 6 of the Constitution.
    2. Doesn't change the fact that the US is not compliant with its treaty obligations and is in violation of international law.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I would like to think the US would hold itself to the same standards it holds others to, but in this case, the US has not. Sad.
    Again, the only way to do this (make compliance compulsory) is to convince your legislators to make it law.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, the only way to do this (make compliance compulsory) is to convince your legislators to make it law.
    It is law. Or are you incapable of reading the Constitution?

    Go read up on the Treaty Clause.

    American law is that international accords become part of the body of U.S. federal law. As a result, Congress can modify or repeal treaties by subsequent legislative action, even if this amounts to a violation of the treaty under international law.

    American law is that international accords become part of the body of U.S. federal law. As a result, Congress can modify or repeal treaties by subsequent legislative action, even if this amounts to a violation of the treaty under international law.

    American law is that international accords become part of the body of U.S. federal law. As a result, Congress can modify or repeal treaties by subsequent legislative action, even if this amounts to a violation of the treaty under international law.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, the US violates international law and its treaty obligations.
    A sweeping generalization that is not relevant. The U.S. is under no obligation to honor treaties with other parties who do not honor them themselves. If you don't deal honestly and abide by your own word of honor, then most Americans don't give a rat's ass about keeping up their ends of these deals, it's that simple.

    The US now has no position to insist others follow their own treaty obligations.
    Of course it is; if we hold our end and the other party or parties don't, it is they who broke the agreements, and neither us nor any other party is obligated to keep upholding the agreement. It's just ridiculous to do so, and defies common sense.

    If the US, that makes the US even more of a hypocrite than it already is.
    Like we care if some crooks charge us with 'hypocrisy'. Most adults know who the major hypocrites around the world are, and it isn't the U.S., which is why most countries still expect the U.S. to arbitrate disputes around the globe; they certainly don't rely on Europe, or Taiwan, to get anything done. Nobody ever asks the Russians, either.

    I would like to think the US would hold itself to the same standards it holds others to, but in this case, the US has not. Sad.
    Actually you're just promoting a double standard and engaging in the usual America Bashing tripe, hiding behind silly semantics and pseudo-intellectual 'legalisms' in the hope nobody notices, but that's okay, we know jealousy and inferiority complexes when we see them.

    Our dirty laundry is pretty much out in the open, unlike most of the world, where the 'press' is government controlled and censored, so it's easy for other countries, and our own media, to sit around tossing spitballs at the U.S while ignoring far worse from nearly everybody else. We're used to it.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. Read Article 6 of the Constitution.
    2. Doesn't change the fact that the US is not compliant with its treaty obligations and is in violation of international law.
    1. Article VI does not compel the Texas court to review, reconsider or otherwise halt the execution.
    2. If you don't like what happened in Texas, you can go through the legal process of moving jurisdiction of these cases to the Federal Court and hope they handle things differently.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Did the UN notify Gaddafi he had rights, before they said do get him?

    They bitch about Human rights part time, like Liberals who say they are are all for Human rights, but not if it's the right of an Innocent unborn baby who did nothing wrong ever.

    Hell some even say late term abortion if okay as long as some lying bastard says the mother is at risk.

    The baby is 99% born when the baby is killed.

    Not that's human rights for you.

    I would like to see Rick Perry tell the UN kiss off. and that's the nicest thing I can say.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Leal was in the US from the age of 2. Committed the crime when he was about 22... death to the **** bag I say, and good riddance.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    It is law. Or are you incapable of reading the Constitution?

    Go read up on the Treaty Clause.

    American law is that international accords become part of the body of U.S. federal law. As a result, Congress can modify or repeal treaties by subsequent legislative action, even if this amounts to a violation of the treaty under international law.
    LOL

    I have a better idea, why don't you take your two sentence level of understanding to the Supreme Court (which has repeatedly held that treaties are NOT automatically law) and ask THEM why they're incapable of reading the Constitution.

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    You people with your "its the law-read the constitution"...yer funny. Cuz...after all...lawyers...constitutional scholars...and yes...even the Supreme Court have ruled...but some wingnut anon internet blogger knows better. You crack me up...you really really do...

    Now...heres the thing. For those NOT full of **** when they pretend they are all up in arms about this (because face it...most of you didnt know about it prior to it hitting the papers)...for those of you sincere types...DONT LET THIS CAUSE DIE! Since its all important and stuff. You should be protesting...daily updates...letter writing campaigns...seriously...this is IMPORTANT STUFF...that you...you know...just...heard about...

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No, it isn't a matter of letting him go free. It is a matter to ensure that all defendants are accorded all of the rights they have coming to them. The U.S. government insists that other states abide by international law, but why does the United States NOT have to abide by the same international laws it expects others to abide by. The State of Texas made a big blunder here. They should have allowed him access and THEN give him the trial and THEN execute him according to Texas law.
    do you see a difference between someone in another nation legally versus an illegal who has lived here most of his life?



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