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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive been around the world more than a few times. I have worked with police forces in several different countries. I am no less concerned nor more based on this particular ruling. Frankly...I think it is a little goofy for people to run rampant expressing concern about a bunch of rapists and murderers and ESPECIALLY only when a death sentence is about to be executed. Its like so many other things...it only matters when it becomes a current event...translation...it REALLY doesnt matter.
    Once again, I am not worried about the rapists. I am concerned about the ramifications of the United States violating its treaty commitments. I believe I have made that clear in this thead. Now, please pay attention.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Once again, I am not worried about the rapists. I am concerned about the ramifications of the United States violating its treaty commitments. I believe I have made that clear in this thead. Now, please pay attention.
    Ive heard you, and your comments echo all the other 'very concerned' voices...in the paper...today. I didnt hear too much about this yesterday...or a month ago...or a year ago. Neither did anyone else. A cause isnt really a cause unless it is actually a cause.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    So.. I read what the SCOTUS said a few pages back. Has anyone come up with some proof since then that this murderer asked for help during the prosecution? SCOTUS said it should be brought up at trial. Was it?? Was he denied? Not that I have read. His TEETH marks are in the dead girl. Texas followed the precedent set by the SCOTUS. If you guys don't like it, can't you find a less horrific case to pursue This?? Looks like Obama is siding with Mexico, too. Big surprise that..
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    For starters, the provisions of the Vienna Convention protect U.S. diplomats in consular posts all around the world. It also allows U.S. Consular access to U.S. citizens in foreign states and in many cases allows them to put pressure on foreign states to release U.S. citizens who are being held for other than truly criminal reasons.

    As for protests, this is not a new situation. This has been going on for nearly a decade now.
    Protect Consuls from whom? Those determined to kill Americans will simply kill Americans, and I doubt that they'll be interested in any treaties when they do so. Civilized cultures will behave in a civilized manner and the more lawless cultures, where the laws are less predictable, will behave as they have always done.

    It seems that these agreements, such as this treaty, the Geneva Conventions, and so on, are often ignored by those who most often cry foul.

    They should be ignored until their words actually come to mean something.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by krickitt View Post
    So.. I read what the SCOTUS said a few pages back. Has anyone come up with some proof since then that this murderer asked for help during the prosecution? SCOTUS said it should be brought up at trial. Was it?? Was he denied? Not that I have read. His TEETH marks are in the dead girl. Texas followed the precedent set by the SCOTUS. If you guys don't like it, can't you find a less horrific case to pursue This?? Looks like Obama is siding with Mexico, too. Big surprise that..
    President BUSH "sided with Mexico" on this. This has been going on for years. There is nothing new in this story. Also, the Vienna Convention states that the accused must be informed of his right to seek contact with his consular representatives. Look... Conservatives talk so much about the rule of law, but supports the US violating the rule of law and its treaty commitments...
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Protect Consuls from whom? Those determined to kill Americans will simply kill Americans, and I doubt that they'll be interested in any treaties when they do so. Civilized cultures will behave in a civilized manner and the more lawless cultures, where the laws are less predictable, will behave as they have always done.

    It seems that these agreements, such as this treaty, the Geneva Conventions, and so on, are often ignored by those who most often cry foul.

    They should be ignored until their words actually come to mean something.
    Indeed.

    This case is far more about jacking up a lot of billable hours for attorneys, and filing lucrative lawsuits. Lawyers are the problem, not the solution, to these sorts of non-issues. This is true even as far back as Shakespeare and the widely quoted 'First, kill all of the lawyers' joke.

    And Mexico's faux 'concern' is even more ignorable than most. They are a corrupt narco state whose police routinely rob and murder their own citizens, foreigners, illegals, and of course look the other way at a large slave trade, and actively encourage daily the violation of U.S. law and sovereignty. Only the congenitally naive and clueless would even entertain the possibility of caring about their concern for 'rights'; they don't have any. It's about bucks and lawsuits for them.

    This is all the 'Law' amounts to for lawyers, making a buck, and it's why so few people have any real access to their rights; most are priced out the system.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    President BUSH "sided with Mexico" on this.
    Oh yeah, that's a real selling point ... and we're all sure his 'siding' has nothing at all to do with his family's personal financial interests in Mexico, or his oil company friends, right?

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    President BUSH "sided with Mexico" on this. This has been going on for years. There is nothing new in this story.
    And the SC told that globalist piece of **** he couldn't do anything and Texas executed the last murdering scumbag who claimed his consular rights was violated.


    Also, the Vienna Convention states that the accused must be informed of his right to seek contact with his consular representatives. Look... Conservatives talk so much about the rule of law, but supports the US violating the rule of law and its treaty commitments...
    Doesn't rule of law also have to do with court rulings? So if the highest court in the land says since congress did not enact statutes to implement it and that it was not self executing then Texas is obeying the law.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    And the SC told that globalist piece of **** he couldn't do anything and Texas executed the last murdering scumbag who claimed his consular rights was violated.




    Doesn't rule of law also have to do with court rulings? So if the highest court in the land says since congress did not enact statutes to implement it and that it was not self executing then Texas is obeying the law.
    So, the US violates international law and its treaty obligations. The US now has no position to insist others follow their own treaty obligations. If the US, that makes the US even more of a hypocrite than it already is. I would like to think the US would hold itself to the same standards it holds others to, but in this case, the US has not. Sad.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Did you read the Constitution? Article Six binds the States and all judges in those states to any and all treaties that are signed and ratified. You did know that the Senate does have a hand in the Treaty process, I presume.
    No part of what was signed and ratified compels Texas to review, reconsider or otherwise halt this execution. The President cannot tell Texas what to do, SC cannot tell Texas what to do, and the ICJ can't tell Texas what to do. If you want to take away Texas' jurisdiction, you need to go through Congress.

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