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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    OK. So the Supreme Court is complicit in violating a treaty that the U.S. is a party to... The U.S. has violated its treaty commitment and international law, not to mention Article VI of the Constitution.
    OK...that works for me. If Im going to violate a treaty I will be comfortable doing so with the backing of the supreme arbiter of the law of the land.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    OK. So the Supreme Court is complicit in violating a treaty that the U.S. is a party to... The U.S. has violated its treaty commitment and international law, not to mention Article VI of the Constitution.
    Can the US pull out of a treaty? Or once signed and ratified it can never be changed?

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Can the US pull out of a treaty? Or once signed and ratified it can never be changed?

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    It depends on the terms of the treaty itself. Some treaties do have provision for withdrawal from the treaty with a stated amount of time of warning. Many do not. Generally speaking, you may not unilateraly alter an existing treaty. I hope you are not thinking the U.S. should withdraw from the Vienna Convention. It gives U.S. diplomats protection overseas as well as provides U.S. access to U.S. citizens in foreign states.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    OK...that works for me. If Im going to violate a treaty I will be comfortable doing so with the backing of the supreme arbiter of the law of the land.
    I hope you are comfortable with the possible ramifications of the United States violating its treaty comitments.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It depends on the terms of the treaty itself. Some treaties do have provision for withdrawal from the treaty with a stated amount of time of warning. Many do not. Generally speaking, you may not unilateraly alter an existing treaty. I hope you are not thinking the U.S. should withdraw from the Vienna Convention. It gives U.S. diplomats protection overseas as well as provides U.S. access to U.S. citizens in foreign states.

    No, no...I was just wondering. But the thing I do find interesting is that while other break their obligation, it seems only shiek to go after the US.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I hope you are comfortable with the possible ramifications of the United States violating its treaty comitments.
    What do you suppose those ramifications might be?

    It seems the UN or the Mexican government should have sent notice a decade ago, otherwise they cannot be taken all that seriously. There should be a statute of limitations applied regarding any protests either of these corrupt groups might have.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, no...I was just wondering. But the thing I do find interesting is that while other break their obligation, it seems only shiek to go after the US.

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    Who has broken the provisions of this treaty with American citizens and consular access?
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I hope you are comfortable with the possible ramifications of the United States violating its treaty comitments.
    Ive been around the world more than a few times. I have worked with police forces in several different countries. I am no less concerned nor more based on this particular ruling. Frankly...I think it is a little goofy for people to run rampant expressing concern about a bunch of rapists and murderers and ESPECIALLY only when a death sentence is about to be executed. Its like so many other things...it only matters when it becomes a current event...translation...it REALLY doesnt matter.

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What do you suppose those ramifications might be?

    It seems the UN or the Mexican government should have sent notice a decade ago, otherwise they cannot be taken all that seriously. There should be a statute of limitations applied regarding any protests either of these corrupt groups might have.
    For starters, the provisions of the Vienna Convention protect U.S. diplomats in consular posts all around the world. It also allows U.S. Consular access to U.S. citizens in foreign states and in many cases allows them to put pressure on foreign states to release U.S. citizens who are being held for other than truly criminal reasons.

    As for protests, this is not a new situation. This has been going on for nearly a decade now.
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