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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know about it, but it's still punishment. Jail is not a nice place, it's not fun to be there. Even if you've been there long enough to come to terms with your incarceration. It's still jail, you're still not free. I think it's foolish to state that it's not a punishment because people can become institutionalized. Particularly in some argument in which you use such unproven statements like "it's not a punishment" to excuse greater punishment such as the death penalty. More so in the light that the DP system has grave failure states, is expensive, and for the most part in today's society...pointless.
    Have you been in jail before?
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    The UN is arguably the most corrupt organization in the history of the world.

    The mere fact that they asked that this guy's sentence be commuted means we should probably execute him twice.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Have you been in jail before?
    I don't need to go to jail to know that it sucks.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't need to go to jail to know that it sucks.
    So you really don't know what it's like then?
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    So you really don't know what it's like then?
    About as well as you know what it's like to spend the rest of your life in jail without parole.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    About as well as you know what it's like to spend the rest of your life in jail without parole.
    I worked in a jail, I know first hand the treatment they get.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post
    Answering questions with more questions? Please show me the requirement in the Vienna Convention that he be informed? I read the Vienna Convention and didn't see any requirement to inform, only to comply when asked. Maybe I missed it so please quote it with a link.
    Article 36; Clause 1; Sub-clause b last sentence

    The said authorities shall inform the person concerned without
    delay of his rights under this subparagraph;
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I dont pretend to be a constitutional scholar because I have read a few peoples opinions...certainly not because I have read the minority (or for that matter majority) court opinions that coincides what I want the legal definitions to be. My degree fields dont go near consitutional law. However we DO have appeals court and supreme court opinions on treaties...yes? Even 'opinions' that you disagree with. Im relatively certain they probably trump a blogged opinion.

    Again...I respect that you have read them. One has to assume that if Texas is indeed behaving in an unconstitutional manner the SCOTUS will in fact intercede. If they dont...well...
    I majored in Poli Sci and also got my first master's in the field, so I have read many SCOTUS opinions. You know, SCOTUS doesn't speak ex cathedra. They make mistakes. They have in the past and they still do. As citizens, we have the right and responsiblity to question the decisions and opinions of the SCOTUS.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Article 36; Clause 1; Sub-clause b last sentence
    Thanks, now produce proof they didn't.
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    Re: U.N. asks Texas to commute Mexican's death sentence

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I majored in Poli Sci and also got my first master's in the field, so I have read many SCOTUS opinions. You know, SCOTUS doesn't speak ex cathedra. They make mistakes. They have in the past and they still do. As citizens, we have the right and responsiblity to question the decisions and opinions of the SCOTUS.
    Of course you have the 'right'. Expertise isnt the same thing. The supreme courts decision is pretty logical...if the court cases are not compromised, there is no need to retry the cases. In virtually every case that was reviewed (all 51) several executions were carried out and most of the sentences were commuted to life sentence. No compromise. And now those individuals are buried in prison for the rest of their lives and those very concerned citizens dont give them a seconds thought.

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