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President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

Gee, that's certainly not combative, arrogant, or condescending

But it appears to be the truth. Do you realize that no leader can ever delegate responsibility? If he cared about the debt ceiling he would get involved. he doesn't because he believes he has something to blame Republicans for and a willing base to spread that lie.
 
I never complained when Bush took vacation. I don't care that the house is on vacation, and the senate could be too. It's the 4th of July weekend, they should be on vacation. People complain about how our government officials are less than stellar, then they start throwing out bull****, whiny stuff like this, which would make any sane, worthwhile person not want a job in government, that is part of the problem. There is no excuse for this kind of ****. I am honestly embarrassed for some people right now.

I'm honestly embarrassed you can't tell the difference between a public servant working for the good of America and a privately paid employee. If there's no difference, I don't see why anyone should revere or give any respect to elected office and if that's the case and that respect should not be given nor expected - then I agree with you - let them go on vacation, permanently. We're better off without the Fed, and we make each state it's own country.
 
If he worked with Congress (both D and R) I for one would have given him props. That would have been the first time he's REALLY shown leadership and the willingness to put American's before himself, or politics.

You? Maybe. I'm guessing the usual hacks here would have called him anti-American for not celebrating the 4th of July.
 
But it appears to be the truth. Do you realize that no leader can ever delegate responsibility? If he cared about the debt ceiling he would get involved. he doesn't because he believes he has something to blame Republicans for and a willing base to spread that lie.

Even the rightwingers know that their arguments are BS. That's why they run away from their own words, like schoolgirls with a spider in the hair.

Just a minute ago, you were posting as if combative, arrogant, and condescending were bad things....but that changed when a republican does it.

Your partisanship is blinding you to the facts.
 
You? Maybe. I'm guessing the usual hacks here would have called him anti-American for not celebrating the 4th of July.

If they did criticize him for some non-patriotic nonsense, you'd be right they're hacks.
 
I'm honestly embarrassed you can't tell the difference between a public servant working for the good of America and a privately paid employee. If there's no difference, I don't see why anyone should revere or give any respect to elected office and if that's the case and that respect should not be given nor expected - then I agree with you - let them go on vacation, permanently. We're better off without the Fed, and we make each state it's own country.

But you're not embarrassed by how the REPUBLICAN public servants go on vacation all the time. They won't even work a 5day/week schedule. They will only work for 3 days a week
 
If they did criticize him for some non-patriotic nonsense, you'd be right they're hacks.

Not naming names, but let's face it: there are people here who would criticize Obama for declaring today to be National Hug a Kitty Day and demand to know why Obama Hates Puppies.

In the interest of fairness, we had the same going for President Bush and it was exactly as irritating.
 
Even the rightwingers know that their arguments are BS. That's why they run away from their own words, like schoolgirls with a spider in the hair.

Just a minute ago, you were posting as if combative, arrogant, and condescending were bad things....but that changed when a republican does it.

Your partisanship is blinding you to the facts.

What is argumentative about what Thune posted? Why didn't Obama agree to meet with the Republicans? Why did Obama tell the Congress to stay in session and then go off on two campaign fundraisers? What facts am I blinded to?
 
But you're not embarrassed by how the REPUBLICAN public servants go on vacation all the time. They won't even work a 5day/week schedule. They will only work for 3 days a week

REPUBLICANS are not in the White House. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not golfing 13 weekends in a row. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not going off to 22 fund raisers while the U.S. economy and debt is crumbling. What you don't seem to understand is that there is ONE President, ONE executive leader of this country at a time, and a REPUBLICAN is not in that position.

Regarding REPUBLICANS - the ever hated GW Bush decided golf was not appropriate after the famed "watch this drive" incident. DEMOCRATS identified GW finally learned his lesson as identified in this:
Bush gives up golfing because of Iraq war. | ThinkProgress

When will Mr. Obama learn that same lesson?


You also don't seem to know my stance on things... I think less government is better. In normal economic and world conditions (ie., no in our current state but when, like in the past, things were much less volatile economically, socially, politically and militarily), I'd like to see the President and Congress in session the minimal number of times per year as identified by the Constitution and golfing the rest of the time. The less our Federal Government does, the better off we as a people will be. Unfortunately we're in such a mess that ONLY the Federal government, (Congress and the POTUS) can get us out of it. So yes, I criticize them harshly for not getting the country back on an even keel when all it takes is putting ego's, politics and rhetoric aside to do ultimately what's best for America ahead of what's best for them. After that, I could care less if they go golfing and never come back.
 
What is argumentative about what Thune posted? Why didn't Obama agree to meet with the Republicans? Why did Obama tell the Congress to stay in session and then go off on two campaign fundraisers? What facts am I blinded to?

1) Everything
2) The republicans don't want to negotiate
3) Obama isn't a member of Congress. He's POTUS, and POTUS does not pass laws.
4) That the republicans have been refusing to negoitate
 
REPUBLICANS are not in the White House.

And Obama isn't in Congress. And it's not Obama's job to pass legislation; it's Congress' job

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not golfing 13 weekends in a row.

bush* spent more time on vacation that any other president in our lifetimes.

If rightwingers didn't make stuff up, they'd have nothing to say

REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not going off to 22 fund raisers while the U.S. economy and debt is crumbling. What you don't seem to understand is that there is ONE President, ONE executive leader of this country at a time, and a REPUBLICAN is not in that position.

bush went on more than 22 fundraisers while he was destroying the US economy. What I do understand is that your partisanship prevents you from criticizing a republican.

Regarding REPUBLICANS - the ever hated GW Bush decided golf was not appropriate after the famed "watch this drive" incident. DEMOCRATS identified GW finally learned his lesson as identified in this:
Bush gives up golfing because of Iraq war. | ThinkProgress

So bush* did play golf during national emergencies. But, he's a republican, so it's OK :lol:

When will Mr. Obama learn that same lesson?


You also don't seem to know my stance on things... I think less government is better.

And yet, you hypocritically want POTUS to do MORE, not less.

In normal economic and world conditions (ie., no in our current state but when, like in the past, things were much less volatile economically, socially, politically and militarily), I'd like to see the President and Congress in session the minimal number of times per year as identified by the Constitution and golfing the rest of the time.

That's what you SAY, but your own words prove you wrong. You have only criticism for Obama, while the lazy republicans in congress get a pass from you.

Nope, nothing partisan about that!! :lol:

The less our Federal Government does, the better off we as a people will be.

You want the govt to do less, so you want the President to do more. Yeah, that makes a certain kind of sense.....NONsense.

Unfortunately we're in such a mess that ONLY the Federal government, (Congress and the POTUS) can get us out of it.

In other words, contrary to your earlier claim, you think that sometimes it's better when the govt does MORE, not less.

As I've said before, the arguments of rightwingers are so embarrassingly weak that even the rightwingers will abandon them when they become inconvenient. You "believe" in less govt, but not when it prevents you from criticizing a Dem for not doing MORE.

So yes, I criticize them harshly for not getting the country back on an even keel when all it takes is putting ego's, politics and rhetoric aside to do ultimately what's best for America ahead of what's best for them. After that, I could care less if they go golfing and never come back.

You criticize "them"???? And you don't care less about what "they" do??

WTF are you talking about. You have only criticized ONE PERSON who (coincidentally, I'm sure) is a democrat; Obama

You haven't said one word of criticism about the lazy republicans in congress who refuse to work more than3 days a week
 
I'm honestly embarrassed you can't tell the difference between a public servant working for the good of America and a privately paid employee. If there's no difference, I don't see why anyone should revere or give any respect to elected office and if that's the case and that respect should not be given nor expected - then I agree with you - let them go on vacation, permanently. We're better off without the Fed, and we make each state it's own country.

Here is an off the wall idea: how about responding to what I actually said, instead of making **** up to respond to. I made no comparison between public nor private employees. I did not talk about respect. You made up all that out of thin air.
 
1) Everything
2) The republicans don't want to negotiate
3) Obama isn't a member of Congress. He's POTUS, and POTUS does not pass laws.
4) That the republicans have been refusing to negoitate

The President does want to negotiate? From where?

The President is the Leader of the Nation who has delegated the responsibility for the budget to someone else. Do you understand leadership? Since the debt crisis is so important why isn't the President more involved. The Republicans offered to negotiate with the President but he had more important fund raising duties to perform. Why do you continue to buy the Obama rhetoric?
 
1) Everything
2) The republicans don't want to negotiate
3) Obama isn't a member of Congress. He's POTUS, and POTUS does not pass laws.
4) That the republicans have been refusing to negoitate

Here is the Obama record that he is running from

0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.
 
And Obama isn't in Congress. And it's not Obama's job to pass legislation; it's Congress' job
No one's claiming any different.

And you have given yet another ...
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bush* spent more time on vacation that any other president in our lifetimes.

If rightwingers didn't make stuff up, they'd have nothing to say

Irrelevant - Bush is not in the White House, and Bush did not have the present economic failure, housing bubble, mortgage crisis, and 3 wars still going on. If you didn't have strawmen and false comparisons you'd have nothing to say.


bush went on more than 22 fundraisers while he was destroying the US economy. What I do understand is that your partisanship prevents you from criticizing a republican.
Prove this assertion with a link showing the number of fund raising events of GW Bush and Obama at the same time in their Presidency.


So bush* did play golf during national emergencies. But, he's a republican, so it's OK :lol:
Bush himself did not think it was okay which is why he stopped. Obama has not stopped. Do you refute this?

And yet, you hypocritically want POTUS to do MORE, not less.
I think I pointed out only the FED can fix this, after it's fixed, yes less. Too difficult a concept for you to understand?

That's what you SAY, but your own words prove you wrong. You have only criticism for Obama, while the lazy republicans in congress get a pass from you.
Who's the lazy REPUBLICAN President? Oh there isn't one...

You want the govt to do less, so you want the President to do more. Yeah, that makes a certain kind of sense.....
I want both Congress and the President to fix it, then do less. Again, such a simple concept eludes you and I'm out of crayons to draw a picture. Shucks.

In other words, contrary to your earlier claim, you think that sometimes it's better when the govt does MORE, not less.
Maybe some directions like on the back of a shampoo bottle will help you: "Re-read my statement earlier. Repeat."

As I've said before, the arguments of rightwingers are so embarrassingly weak that even the rightwingers will abandon them when they become inconvenient. You "believe" in less govt, but not when it prevents you from criticizing a Dem for not doing MORE.
And as I've stated before, if you're not creating strawmen, you're being intellectually dishonest. You claim your no Obama supporter yet that's all you've done today in 2 threads is defend him like it's your life's mission. My BS meter is going off... it seems you're yet another one of thousands of kool-aid drinkers out to help curb Obama's failure by logging onto a forum to defend his failures. Good luck with that.

You criticize "them"???? And you don't care less about what "they" do??
There is only ONE President, ONE executive leader. That leader has to lead... when that happens, I'll be glad to give him the props he deserves.

You haven't said one word of criticism about the lazy republicans in congress who refuse to work more than3 days a week
And aren't (in your opinion) all Republicans lazy?
 
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The President does want to negotiate? From where?

The President is the Leader of the Nation who has delegated the responsibility for the budget to someone else. Do you understand leadership?

Do you understand the Constitution?

Obviously not, because the Constitution makes it clear that the responsibility for the budget belongs to Congress, not POTUS

Since the debt crisis is so important why isn't the President more involved. The Republicans offered to negotiate with the President but he had more important fund raising duties to perform. Why do you continue to buy the Obama rhetoric?

Because the republicans refuse to negotiate. They have not offered to negotiate. They demanded that POTUS come and listen to them explain why they won't vote for tax increases. That's not a negotiation
 
No one's claiming any different.

And you have given yet another ...
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Irrelevant - Bush is not in the White House, and Bush did not have the present economic failure, housing bubble, mortgage crisis, and 3 wars still going on. If you didn't have strawmen and false comparisons you'd have nothing to say.

Umm, if you're going to insist that a president should not take time off during a crisis, then what bush did (he was a president, remember?) during a crisis is relevant to show the partisan hypocrisy of the rightwing whiners



Prove this assertion with a link showing the number of fund raising events of GW Bush and Obama at the same time in their Presidency.

I'll do that when you post links for everything you've said.



Bush himself did not think it was okay which is why he stopped. Obama has not stopped. Do you refute this?

So you admit that bush* did it!!! :lol:

And still, you refuse to criticize it. Instead, you're defending bush* for doing the same thing!!!

Nope, that's not partisanship. :lol:

I think I pointed out only the FED can fix this, after it's fixed, yes less. Too difficult a concept for you to understand?

What "FED"? The Federal Reserve, or the Federal govt, which you believe should do less, except when a democrat is president. Then, he should do MORE!!!

Who's the lazy REPUBLICAN President? Oh there isn't one...

Not anymore. Pisses you off, right?

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I want both Congress and the President to fix it, then do less. Again, such a simple concept eludes you and I'm out of crayons to draw a picture. Shucks.

So you want the govt to do MORE, not less.


Maybe some directions like on the back of a shampoo bottle will help you: "Re-read my statement earlier. Repeat."

And as I've stated before, if you're not creating strawmen, you're being intellectually dishonest. You claim your no Obama supporter yet that's all you've done today in 2 threads is defend him like it's your life's mission. My BS meter is going off... it seems you're yet another one of thousands of kool-aid drinkers out to help curb Obama's failure by logging onto a forum to defend his failures. Good luck with that.

I haven't said one word in defense of Obama. I have merely pointed to partisan hypocrisy of rightwingers who want the govt to do less, and Obama to do more.

There is only ONE President, ONE executive leader. That leader has to lead... when that happens, I'll be glad to give him the props he deserves.

POTUS does not lead the House of Representatives. Guess who leads the House? (Hint: It aint a democrat)

And aren't (in your opinion) all Republicans lazy?

No. Some republicans never give up whining about the most petty irrelevancies. It appears to take a great deal of effort on their part.

Desperation will do that to a person :lol:
 
Of course a president can take time off. The problem is when the president bitches about others doing it and then does it himself. While he may feel it's a waste to talk to the GOP, that's what leaders do and it's also a waste to pass a budget that the president is just going to veto.
 
Of course a president can take time off. The problem is when the president bitches about others doing it and then does it himself. While he may feel it's a waste to talk to the GOP, that's what leaders do and it's also a waste to pass a budget that the president is just going to veto.

Umm, the Constitution makes it impossible for the president to pass a budget. The constitution makes it clear that passing budgets is the responsibility of Congress

But I guess that even the rightwing posters know that the republicans can't solve this problem without help from Obama. That's why they are vocally yearning for Obama to do more.
 
Umm, the Constitution makes it impossible for the president to pass a budget. The constitution makes it clear that passing budgets is the responsibility of Congress

But I guess that even the rightwing posters know that the republicans can't solve this problem without help from Obama. That's why they are vocally yearning for Obama to do more.

Passing a budget and preparing a budget are two different things. You apparently don't understand the concept. Let me remind you, Obama has submitted record budgets. His 2010 budget was 3.7 trillion dollars. The 2008 budget was 3.0 trillion dollars. Obama wants to cut 100 billion off the 3.7 trillion dollars which continues to deficit spend. How do you justify that proposal and claim he has no business negotiating with Republicans? Justifying what this President is doing just proves that you buy the rhetoric and smiles.
 
Passing a budget and preparing a budget are two different things. You apparently don't understand the concept. Let me remind you, Obama has submitted record budgets.

Yes, they are two seperate things. So are you criticizing him for not prepearing a budget (even though he has) or are you criticizing for not passing a budget, which the Constitution does not allow him to do? :lol:

His 2010 budget was 3.7 trillion dollars. The 2008 budget was 3.0 trillion dollars. Obama wants to cut 100 billion off the 3.7 trillion dollars which continues to deficit spend. How do you justify that proposal and claim he has no business negotiating with Republicans? Justifying what this President is doing just proves that you buy the rhetoric and smiles.

Umm, the 2010 budget included TARP spending that was passed when bush* was presidunce with the support (and votes) of republicans

And the republicans are refusing to negotiate.
 
Bush didn't go to Texas unless Congress was out. The Senate is staying behind in an EMERGENCY session because of the debt ceiling. If a Republican President skips town to take a few days off under these conditions, yeah, I would be critiquing.

You guys are funny, hilariously funny. Perhaps you should go back and try to figure out what the real complain was instead of throwing up strawmen. Hint: Look not at when, but how often. :coffeepap
 
Yes, they are two seperate things. So are you criticizing him for not prepearing a budget (even though he has) or are you criticizing for not passing a budget, which the Constitution does not allow him to do? :lol:



Umm, the 2010 budget included TARP spending that was passed when bush* was presidunce with the support (and votes) of republicans

And the republicans are refusing to negotiate.

Yes, his budget was submitted the Democrat controlled Senate and failed 95-0. Doesn't sound like much of a budget, does it?

The 2010 budget did not include TARP which was passed and signed in October 2008. Where do you get your false information? Bush left office January 2009
 
Yes, his budget was submitted the Democrat controlled Senate and failed 95-0. Doesn't sound like much of a budget, does it?

The 2010 budget did not include TARP which was passed and signed in October 2008. Where do you get your false information? Bush left office January 2009

1) Have you forgotten what the subject is, or are you just too embarrassed to discuss it? :lol:

The issue isn't about Obama's proposed budget. It's about a meeting concerning increasing the debt limit.

2) TARP, which was passed in 2008, called for spending in FY's 2009 & 2010. That spending was included in the budget

Are you really so ignorant that you don't realize that some of the govts spending is the result of legislation passed in previous years? Really?

I wouldn't be surprised at anything a rightwinger doesn't know. After all., I remember how shocked they were when they learned the FY doesn't begin on Jan 1 :lol:
 
Bush didn't go to Texas unless Congress was out. The Senate is staying behind in an EMERGENCY session because of the debt ceiling. If a Republican President skips town to take a few days off under these conditions, yeah, I would be critiquing.

This is a silly discussion, but its yours.... so, for the record, GW spent more time out of Washington than Jack Kennedy even served as president.

from factcheck:

"....Bush spent 1,020 days of his presidency on vacation. To put this into context, John F. Kennedy spent fewer days in office, 1000, than George W. Bush spent on vacation. Bush spent 487 days at Camp David, 490 days at his Crawford ranch, and 43 days in Kennebunkport. George W. Bush spent 69 days in Crawford during his first year in office. In contrast, according to FactCheck.org, Obama spent all, or part of, 26 days of his first year in office on vacation. This was less than all three previous Republican presidents, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, but more than the two previous Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton...."


I will find some stats on Obama for you, if you insist. Note per above that during his first year in office, Obama spent more time in the oval office than any recent president other than Clinton and Carter (what is it about Democrats that they work so hard....must be use to being "on the clock")
 
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