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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The President does want to negotiate? From where?

    The President is the Leader of the Nation who has delegated the responsibility for the budget to someone else. Do you understand leadership?
    Do you understand the Constitution?

    Obviously not, because the Constitution makes it clear that the responsibility for the budget belongs to Congress, not POTUS

    Since the debt crisis is so important why isn't the President more involved. The Republicans offered to negotiate with the President but he had more important fund raising duties to perform. Why do you continue to buy the Obama rhetoric?
    Because the republicans refuse to negotiate. They have not offered to negotiate. They demanded that POTUS come and listen to them explain why they won't vote for tax increases. That's not a negotiation

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No one's claiming any different.

    And you have given yet another ...



    Irrelevant - Bush is not in the White House, and Bush did not have the present economic failure, housing bubble, mortgage crisis, and 3 wars still going on. If you didn't have strawmen and false comparisons you'd have nothing to say.
    Umm, if you're going to insist that a president should not take time off during a crisis, then what bush did (he was a president, remember?) during a crisis is relevant to show the partisan hypocrisy of the rightwing whiners



    Prove this assertion with a link showing the number of fund raising events of GW Bush and Obama at the same time in their Presidency.
    I'll do that when you post links for everything you've said.



    Bush himself did not think it was okay which is why he stopped. Obama has not stopped. Do you refute this?
    So you admit that bush* did it!!!

    And still, you refuse to criticize it. Instead, you're defending bush* for doing the same thing!!!

    Nope, that's not partisanship.

    I think I pointed out only the FED can fix this, after it's fixed, yes less. Too difficult a concept for you to understand?
    What "FED"? The Federal Reserve, or the Federal govt, which you believe should do less, except when a democrat is president. Then, he should do MORE!!!

    Who's the lazy REPUBLICAN President? Oh there isn't one...
    Not anymore. Pisses you off, right?



    I want both Congress and the President to fix it, then do less. Again, such a simple concept eludes you and I'm out of crayons to draw a picture. Shucks.
    So you want the govt to do MORE, not less.


    Maybe some directions like on the back of a shampoo bottle will help you: "Re-read my statement earlier. Repeat."

    And as I've stated before, if you're not creating strawmen, you're being intellectually dishonest. You claim your no Obama supporter yet that's all you've done today in 2 threads is defend him like it's your life's mission. My BS meter is going off... it seems you're yet another one of thousands of kool-aid drinkers out to help curb Obama's failure by logging onto a forum to defend his failures. Good luck with that.
    I haven't said one word in defense of Obama. I have merely pointed to partisan hypocrisy of rightwingers who want the govt to do less, and Obama to do more.

    There is only ONE President, ONE executive leader. That leader has to lead... when that happens, I'll be glad to give him the props he deserves.
    POTUS does not lead the House of Representatives. Guess who leads the House? (Hint: It aint a democrat)

    And aren't (in your opinion) all Republicans lazy?
    No. Some republicans never give up whining about the most petty irrelevancies. It appears to take a great deal of effort on their part.

    Desperation will do that to a person

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Of course a president can take time off. The problem is when the president bitches about others doing it and then does it himself. While he may feel it's a waste to talk to the GOP, that's what leaders do and it's also a waste to pass a budget that the president is just going to veto.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Of course a president can take time off. The problem is when the president bitches about others doing it and then does it himself. While he may feel it's a waste to talk to the GOP, that's what leaders do and it's also a waste to pass a budget that the president is just going to veto.
    Umm, the Constitution makes it impossible for the president to pass a budget. The constitution makes it clear that passing budgets is the responsibility of Congress

    But I guess that even the rightwing posters know that the republicans can't solve this problem without help from Obama. That's why they are vocally yearning for Obama to do more.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Umm, the Constitution makes it impossible for the president to pass a budget. The constitution makes it clear that passing budgets is the responsibility of Congress

    But I guess that even the rightwing posters know that the republicans can't solve this problem without help from Obama. That's why they are vocally yearning for Obama to do more.
    Passing a budget and preparing a budget are two different things. You apparently don't understand the concept. Let me remind you, Obama has submitted record budgets. His 2010 budget was 3.7 trillion dollars. The 2008 budget was 3.0 trillion dollars. Obama wants to cut 100 billion off the 3.7 trillion dollars which continues to deficit spend. How do you justify that proposal and claim he has no business negotiating with Republicans? Justifying what this President is doing just proves that you buy the rhetoric and smiles.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Passing a budget and preparing a budget are two different things. You apparently don't understand the concept. Let me remind you, Obama has submitted record budgets.
    Yes, they are two seperate things. So are you criticizing him for not prepearing a budget (even though he has) or are you criticizing for not passing a budget, which the Constitution does not allow him to do?

    His 2010 budget was 3.7 trillion dollars. The 2008 budget was 3.0 trillion dollars. Obama wants to cut 100 billion off the 3.7 trillion dollars which continues to deficit spend. How do you justify that proposal and claim he has no business negotiating with Republicans? Justifying what this President is doing just proves that you buy the rhetoric and smiles.
    Umm, the 2010 budget included TARP spending that was passed when bush* was presidunce with the support (and votes) of republicans

    And the republicans are refusing to negotiate.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bush didn't go to Texas unless Congress was out. The Senate is staying behind in an EMERGENCY session because of the debt ceiling. If a Republican President skips town to take a few days off under these conditions, yeah, I would be critiquing.
    You guys are funny, hilariously funny. Perhaps you should go back and try to figure out what the real complain was instead of throwing up strawmen. Hint: Look not at when, but how often.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, they are two seperate things. So are you criticizing him for not prepearing a budget (even though he has) or are you criticizing for not passing a budget, which the Constitution does not allow him to do?



    Umm, the 2010 budget included TARP spending that was passed when bush* was presidunce with the support (and votes) of republicans

    And the republicans are refusing to negotiate.
    Yes, his budget was submitted the Democrat controlled Senate and failed 95-0. Doesn't sound like much of a budget, does it?

    The 2010 budget did not include TARP which was passed and signed in October 2008. Where do you get your false information? Bush left office January 2009

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, his budget was submitted the Democrat controlled Senate and failed 95-0. Doesn't sound like much of a budget, does it?

    The 2010 budget did not include TARP which was passed and signed in October 2008. Where do you get your false information? Bush left office January 2009
    1) Have you forgotten what the subject is, or are you just too embarrassed to discuss it?

    The issue isn't about Obama's proposed budget. It's about a meeting concerning increasing the debt limit.

    2) TARP, which was passed in 2008, called for spending in FY's 2009 & 2010. That spending was included in the budget

    Are you really so ignorant that you don't realize that some of the govts spending is the result of legislation passed in previous years? Really?

    I wouldn't be surprised at anything a rightwinger doesn't know. After all., I remember how shocked they were when they learned the FY doesn't begin on Jan 1

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Bush didn't go to Texas unless Congress was out. The Senate is staying behind in an EMERGENCY session because of the debt ceiling. If a Republican President skips town to take a few days off under these conditions, yeah, I would be critiquing.
    This is a silly discussion, but its yours.... so, for the record, GW spent more time out of Washington than Jack Kennedy even served as president.

    from factcheck:

    "....Bush spent 1,020 days of his presidency on vacation. To put this into context, John F. Kennedy spent fewer days in office, 1000, than George W. Bush spent on vacation. Bush spent 487 days at Camp David, 490 days at his Crawford ranch, and 43 days in Kennebunkport. George W. Bush spent 69 days in Crawford during his first year in office. In contrast, according to FactCheck.org, Obama spent all, or part of, 26 days of his first year in office on vacation. This was less than all three previous Republican presidents, Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, but more than the two previous Democratic presidents, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton...."


    I will find some stats on Obama for you, if you insist. Note per above that during his first year in office, Obama spent more time in the oval office than any recent president other than Clinton and Carter (what is it about Democrats that they work so hard....must be use to being "on the clock")

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