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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm honestly embarrassed you can't tell the difference between a public servant working for the good of America and a privately paid employee. If there's no difference, I don't see why anyone should revere or give any respect to elected office and if that's the case and that respect should not be given nor expected - then I agree with you - let them go on vacation, permanently. We're better off without the Fed, and we make each state it's own country.
    But you're not embarrassed by how the REPUBLICAN public servants go on vacation all the time. They won't even work a 5day/week schedule. They will only work for 3 days a week

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

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    If they did criticize him for some non-patriotic nonsense, you'd be right they're hacks.
    Not naming names, but let's face it: there are people here who would criticize Obama for declaring today to be National Hug a Kitty Day and demand to know why Obama Hates Puppies.

    In the interest of fairness, we had the same going for President Bush and it was exactly as irritating.
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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Even the rightwingers know that their arguments are BS. That's why they run away from their own words, like schoolgirls with a spider in the hair.

    Just a minute ago, you were posting as if combative, arrogant, and condescending were bad things....but that changed when a republican does it.

    Your partisanship is blinding you to the facts.
    What is argumentative about what Thune posted? Why didn't Obama agree to meet with the Republicans? Why did Obama tell the Congress to stay in session and then go off on two campaign fundraisers? What facts am I blinded to?

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But you're not embarrassed by how the REPUBLICAN public servants go on vacation all the time. They won't even work a 5day/week schedule. They will only work for 3 days a week
    REPUBLICANS are not in the White House. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not golfing 13 weekends in a row. REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not going off to 22 fund raisers while the U.S. economy and debt is crumbling. What you don't seem to understand is that there is ONE President, ONE executive leader of this country at a time, and a REPUBLICAN is not in that position.

    Regarding REPUBLICANS - the ever hated GW Bush decided golf was not appropriate after the famed "watch this drive" incident. DEMOCRATS identified GW finally learned his lesson as identified in this:
    Bush gives up golfing because of Iraq war. | ThinkProgress

    When will Mr. Obama learn that same lesson?


    You also don't seem to know my stance on things... I think less government is better. In normal economic and world conditions (ie., no in our current state but when, like in the past, things were much less volatile economically, socially, politically and militarily), I'd like to see the President and Congress in session the minimal number of times per year as identified by the Constitution and golfing the rest of the time. The less our Federal Government does, the better off we as a people will be. Unfortunately we're in such a mess that ONLY the Federal government, (Congress and the POTUS) can get us out of it. So yes, I criticize them harshly for not getting the country back on an even keel when all it takes is putting ego's, politics and rhetoric aside to do ultimately what's best for America ahead of what's best for them. After that, I could care less if they go golfing and never come back.
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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What is argumentative about what Thune posted? Why didn't Obama agree to meet with the Republicans? Why did Obama tell the Congress to stay in session and then go off on two campaign fundraisers? What facts am I blinded to?
    1) Everything
    2) The republicans don't want to negotiate
    3) Obama isn't a member of Congress. He's POTUS, and POTUS does not pass laws.
    4) That the republicans have been refusing to negoitate

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    REPUBLICANS are not in the White House.
    And Obama isn't in Congress. And it's not Obama's job to pass legislation; it's Congress' job

    REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not golfing 13 weekends in a row.
    bush* spent more time on vacation that any other president in our lifetimes.

    If rightwingers didn't make stuff up, they'd have nothing to say

    REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTS are not going off to 22 fund raisers while the U.S. economy and debt is crumbling. What you don't seem to understand is that there is ONE President, ONE executive leader of this country at a time, and a REPUBLICAN is not in that position.
    bush went on more than 22 fundraisers while he was destroying the US economy. What I do understand is that your partisanship prevents you from criticizing a republican.

    Regarding REPUBLICANS - the ever hated GW Bush decided golf was not appropriate after the famed "watch this drive" incident. DEMOCRATS identified GW finally learned his lesson as identified in this:
    Bush gives up golfing because of Iraq war. | ThinkProgress
    So bush* did play golf during national emergencies. But, he's a republican, so it's OK

    When will Mr. Obama learn that same lesson?


    You also don't seem to know my stance on things... I think less government is better.
    And yet, you hypocritically want POTUS to do MORE, not less.

    In normal economic and world conditions (ie., no in our current state but when, like in the past, things were much less volatile economically, socially, politically and militarily), I'd like to see the President and Congress in session the minimal number of times per year as identified by the Constitution and golfing the rest of the time.
    That's what you SAY, but your own words prove you wrong. You have only criticism for Obama, while the lazy republicans in congress get a pass from you.

    Nope, nothing partisan about that!!

    The less our Federal Government does, the better off we as a people will be.
    You want the govt to do less, so you want the President to do more. Yeah, that makes a certain kind of sense.....NONsense.

    Unfortunately we're in such a mess that ONLY the Federal government, (Congress and the POTUS) can get us out of it.
    In other words, contrary to your earlier claim, you think that sometimes it's better when the govt does MORE, not less.

    As I've said before, the arguments of rightwingers are so embarrassingly weak that even the rightwingers will abandon them when they become inconvenient. You "believe" in less govt, but not when it prevents you from criticizing a Dem for not doing MORE.

    So yes, I criticize them harshly for not getting the country back on an even keel when all it takes is putting ego's, politics and rhetoric aside to do ultimately what's best for America ahead of what's best for them. After that, I could care less if they go golfing and never come back.
    You criticize "them"???? And you don't care less about what "they" do??

    WTF are you talking about. You have only criticized ONE PERSON who (coincidentally, I'm sure) is a democrat; Obama

    You haven't said one word of criticism about the lazy republicans in congress who refuse to work more than3 days a week

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I'm honestly embarrassed you can't tell the difference between a public servant working for the good of America and a privately paid employee. If there's no difference, I don't see why anyone should revere or give any respect to elected office and if that's the case and that respect should not be given nor expected - then I agree with you - let them go on vacation, permanently. We're better off without the Fed, and we make each state it's own country.
    Here is an off the wall idea: how about responding to what I actually said, instead of making **** up to respond to. I made no comparison between public nor private employees. I did not talk about respect. You made up all that out of thin air.
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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) Everything
    2) The republicans don't want to negotiate
    3) Obama isn't a member of Congress. He's POTUS, and POTUS does not pass laws.
    4) That the republicans have been refusing to negoitate
    The President does want to negotiate? From where?

    The President is the Leader of the Nation who has delegated the responsibility for the budget to someone else. Do you understand leadership? Since the debt crisis is so important why isn't the President more involved. The Republicans offered to negotiate with the President but he had more important fund raising duties to perform. Why do you continue to buy the Obama rhetoric?

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) Everything
    2) The republicans don't want to negotiate
    3) Obama isn't a member of Congress. He's POTUS, and POTUS does not pass laws.
    4) That the republicans have been refusing to negoitate
    Here is the Obama record that he is running from

    0bama record, 14.7 million officially unemployed with 15.8% total unemployment, 4 trillion added to the debt, double digit misery index, 1.8% GDP growth, record budgets, no leadership skills at all, 29 fund raisers, 76 rounds of golf. Yes, that is leadership and a record to be proud of.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And Obama isn't in Congress. And it's not Obama's job to pass legislation; it's Congress' job
    No one's claiming any different.

    And you have given yet another ...

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    bush* spent more time on vacation that any other president in our lifetimes.

    If rightwingers didn't make stuff up, they'd have nothing to say
    Irrelevant - Bush is not in the White House, and Bush did not have the present economic failure, housing bubble, mortgage crisis, and 3 wars still going on. If you didn't have strawmen and false comparisons you'd have nothing to say.


    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    bush went on more than 22 fundraisers while he was destroying the US economy. What I do understand is that your partisanship prevents you from criticizing a republican.
    Prove this assertion with a link showing the number of fund raising events of GW Bush and Obama at the same time in their Presidency.


    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So bush* did play golf during national emergencies. But, he's a republican, so it's OK
    Bush himself did not think it was okay which is why he stopped. Obama has not stopped. Do you refute this?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And yet, you hypocritically want POTUS to do MORE, not less.
    I think I pointed out only the FED can fix this, after it's fixed, yes less. Too difficult a concept for you to understand?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's what you SAY, but your own words prove you wrong. You have only criticism for Obama, while the lazy republicans in congress get a pass from you.
    Who's the lazy REPUBLICAN President? Oh there isn't one...

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You want the govt to do less, so you want the President to do more. Yeah, that makes a certain kind of sense.....
    I want both Congress and the President to fix it, then do less. Again, such a simple concept eludes you and I'm out of crayons to draw a picture. Shucks.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    In other words, contrary to your earlier claim, you think that sometimes it's better when the govt does MORE, not less.
    Maybe some directions like on the back of a shampoo bottle will help you: "Re-read my statement earlier. Repeat."

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    As I've said before, the arguments of rightwingers are so embarrassingly weak that even the rightwingers will abandon them when they become inconvenient. You "believe" in less govt, but not when it prevents you from criticizing a Dem for not doing MORE.
    And as I've stated before, if you're not creating strawmen, you're being intellectually dishonest. You claim your no Obama supporter yet that's all you've done today in 2 threads is defend him like it's your life's mission. My BS meter is going off... it seems you're yet another one of thousands of kool-aid drinkers out to help curb Obama's failure by logging onto a forum to defend his failures. Good luck with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You criticize "them"???? And you don't care less about what "they" do??
    There is only ONE President, ONE executive leader. That leader has to lead... when that happens, I'll be glad to give him the props he deserves.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You haven't said one word of criticism about the lazy republicans in congress who refuse to work more than3 days a week
    And aren't (in your opinion) all Republicans lazy?
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