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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    Didn't we elect Obama to fix those problems?????? He can't fix any of them because he is unqualified to fix them and he has been a failure, those problems are over his head along with the presidency.
    How is he NOT fixing those problems?

    Well I don't know how you "fix" TARP, won't address that...except to say that much of it has been paid back...

    Obama has successfully and responsibly drawn down in Iraq and will finish the job at the end of this year, just as he said he would in the campaign. He has escalated the war in Afghanistan just as he said he would, we have seen results (enormously successful escalation of drone attacks; increased pressure on Taliban; diminished power, resources, and presence of al Qaeda; killing of Osama bin Laden; etc.). He is starting the withdrawal soon, just as he said he would. So that's a problem that's pretty close to fixed, really.

    As for the economy...well...coming out of a recession that severe is going to be a slog no matter who the president is, and this is no different. But few will deny that we are growing - the only complaint is that such growth is too slow. By any metric you will possibly find, though, the momentum of the economy is in a much, MUCH better place than it was when Obama was elected.

    So if by "can't fix them" you mean "didn't wave a magic wand and heal the nation overnight", then yes, you are right. But most mature people with a knowledge of how wars work and a knowledge of how the economy works will realize that we are in a much better place than we were when Bush left office.
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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    How is he NOT fixing those problems?

    Well I don't know how you "fix" TARP, won't address that...

    Obama has successfully and responsibly drawn down in Iraq and will finish the job at the end of this year, just as he said he would in the campaign. He has escalated the war in Afghanistan, we have seen results (enormously successful escalation of drone attacks; increased pressure on Taliban; diminished power, resources, and presence of al Qaeda; killing of Osama bin Laden) and he is starting the withdrawal soon, just as he said he would. So that's a problem that's pretty close to fixed.

    As for the economy...well...coming out of a recession that severe is going to be a slog no matter who the president is, and this is no different. But few will deny that we are growing - the only complaint is that such growth is so slow. By any metric you will possibly find, though, the momentum of the economy is in a much, MUCH better place than it was when Obama was elected.

    So if by "can't fix them" you mean "didn't wave a magic wand and heal the nation overnight", then yes, you are right. But most mature people with a knowledge of how wars work and a knowledge of how the economy works will realize that we are in a much better place than we were when Bush left office.
    Swiss, the recession that Obama inherited wasn't nearly as bad as the 81-82 recession due to the fact that interest rates and inflation were so low. In 1981 a home mortgage was 17+% and we had record low mortgages when Obama took office. People were throwing the keys at the banks in 81 because they couldn't afford the high interest rates. So the recession Obama inherited ended in June 2009. Obama supported TARP that was created with the help of Tim Geithner yet today the record is worse that Bush's with 14.7 million unemployed Americans an increase of 2.1 million since he took office, 2.4 million fewer people employed thus jobs lost, and 4 trillion added to the debt. So tell me again is this what you voted for and how do you reconcile the actual results vs. the rhetoric?

    So please tell me how we are better off today than when Obama took office?
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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    Didn't we elect Obama to fix those problems?????? He can't fix any of them because he is unqualified to fix them and he has been a failure, those problems are over his head along with the presidency.
    He has accomplished a great deal. You remain willfully ignorant on that front.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Swizz View Post
    How is he NOT fixing those problems?

    Well I don't know how you "fix" TARP, won't address that...except to say that much of it has been paid back...

    Obama has successfully and responsibly drawn down in Iraq and will finish the job at the end of this year, just as he said he would in the campaign. He has escalated the war in Afghanistan just as he said he would, we have seen results (enormously successful escalation of drone attacks; increased pressure on Taliban; diminished power, resources, and presence of al Qaeda; killing of Osama bin Laden; etc.). He is starting the withdrawal soon, just as he said he would. So that's a problem that's pretty close to fixed, really.

    As for the economy...well...coming out of a recession that severe is going to be a slog no matter who the president is, and this is no different. But few will deny that we are growing - the only complaint is that such growth is too slow. By any metric you will possibly find, though, the momentum of the economy is in a much, MUCH better place than it was when Obama was elected.

    So if by "can't fix them" you mean "didn't wave a magic wand and heal the nation overnight", then yes, you are right. But most mature people with a knowledge of how wars work and a knowledge of how the economy works will realize that we are in a much better place than we were when Bush left office.
    Unemployment = not fixed

    US debt = not fixed

    US economy = not fixed

    Withdrawal of ALL troops like he promised = not fixed

    Closing of Guantanamo = not fixed

    etc. etc. = not fixed

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    He has accomplished a great deal. You remain willfully ignorant on that front.
    Enough to get re-elected? Think the high unemployment, high debt, low economic growth, declining labor force, and rising misery index will resonate with the electorate?

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    He has accomplished a great deal. You remain willfully ignorant on that front.
    That's why our country is going bankrupt, unemployment is at 9.1% and the economy is in shambles and that's because he has fixed everything.

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    That's why our country is going bankrupt, unemployment is at 9.1% and the economy is in shambles and that's because he has fixed everything.
    He has accomplished a great deal. I have actually read books which cover what all he has accomplished. What have you done to educate yourself as to the truth of the matter?

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Ok so Obama sucks, I agree but even he should be able to take a short vacation, without being criticized.

    This is stupid.
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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    He has accomplished a great deal. I have actually read books which cover what all he has accomplished. What have you done to educate yourself as to the truth of the matter?
    Do you think any of what you believe he has accomplished trumps the 14.7 million unemployed Americans, 15.8% total unemployment, decline in the labor force, 4 trillion added to the debt, and rising misery index? If so, please state those accomplishments?

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    Re: President Obama Takes a Break at Camp David

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Swiss, the recession that Obama inherited wasn't nearly as bad as the 81-82 recession
    stopped reading there. I linked you this already but you keep ignoring it: PolitiFact | Palin claims Reagan faced a worse recession than Obama

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    Unemployment = not fixed

    US debt = not fixed

    US economy = not fixed

    Withdrawal of ALL troops like he promised = not fixed

    Closing of Guantanamo = not fixed

    etc. etc. = not fixed
    lol @ the idea that Obama was elected to fix the debt. Unemployment and the economy go hand in hand and, again, even with poor jobs numbers of 50k jobs added per month, it is a vast, vast improvement from the state of the economy when he got into office. You cannot deny that. Or are you going to try?

    The closing of Guantanamo is a blip on my radar, personally. I would've liked to see it closed but it is largely symbolic. He signed an executive order but then Congress failed to get it done. It is one of the few things in his presidency that he set out to do and failed. But it is hardly the most important thing of his campaign or facing the country.

    And again, Obama promised a phased withdrawal. That was what he said in the campaign and that is what he is doing right now. Just because you have the facts wrong does not mean Obama is being inconsistent.

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