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    Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    A federal appeals court on Friday struck down Michigan's ban on the consideration of race and gender when enrolling students at public colleges, saying it burdens minorities and violates the U.S. Constitution.

    The 2-1 decision upends a sweeping law that was approved by voters in 2006 and had forced the University of Michigan and others to change admission policies. The court said it violates the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.

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    The ban was placed in the Michigan Constitution after getting 58 percent of the vote nearly five years ago. It affected government hiring as well as college admissions.


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    Umm.. What? So treating people as equal violates the eqal protection clause?

    Insane..

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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

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    Umm.. What? So treating people as equal violates the eqal protection clause?

    Insane..

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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    "Judge a man by the merit of his character, not the color of his skin!"

    Except of course it's for college, government jobs or assistance...
    I've never understood why affirmative action is not considered a violation of the 14th??


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    Affirmative action had its day. It is no longer needed, and IMO, is racist.
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    I think affirmative action may have it's place, however if you are applying for a college and this college has never seen you, you shouldn't have to answer what your race is. I also think that social services should be done by way of computer, similarly to how many services are done in the unemployment office.
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    As long as we continue to institutionalize racism, we will always have racism.

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    This is a stupid decision. A person should get into college based on their merit, not their race or gender, especially public schools.

    Ways to get around biases, even subconscious ones include:

    Have a panel decide who gets in based on individual applications. Then pick the applicants who have the best applications.

    Identify applications with assigned numbers, not names. Try to find ways to eliminate any identifying information about these applicants through their clubs/organizations by using generalized club descriptions, such as applicant was involved in scouts (without referencing boys or girls) or cultural club (without specifying which culture), with any organization that could identify a person's race or sex or even religion.

    If you have interviews and/or personal essays, have a few people evaluate them individually, then incorporate their individual evaluations to determine the best candidates.

    One of the most important things to do though is to hold people reasonably responsible if it is noticed that there is some bias going on in the process, but it should be only after the determination of a legitimate investigation and not due to a discrepancy in numbers from a specific group alone. It should be based on a discrepancy in how the person is judging individuals with certain characteristics over others, for example, candidates that can be identified as being of a certain sex are given more credit toward their involvement in certain activities than candidates who can be identified as the other sex are given for those same activities or activities that should be equivalent.
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    In a perfect world, rogue.. but even that leaves much room for discrimination towards one group over another. Why do I say that? Because of the composition of academia. Who would be the panel? Find me a panel of academics that would pick a... say... white guy.. over a purplepolkadotted woman.... who are equally qualified. Still-- your idea is better than what we currently have.
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by krickitt View Post
    In a perfect world, rogue.. but even that leaves much room for discrimination towards one group over another. Why do I say that? Because of the composition of academia. Who would be the panel? Find me a panel of academics that would pick a... say... white guy.. over a purplepolkadotted woman.... who are equally qualified. Still-- your idea is better than what we currently have.
    Of course. There is no perfect solution for the situation, not with the nature of humans, atm. However, we have to work on reasonable ways to get equal treatment without having to have quotas (which I really don't see as equal treatment at all). The closest we can get to ensuring that people who deserve to get into and go to college is my goal (of course, ensuring everyone can reasonably afford college without having to pay it off for their first 5-10 working years would be a close second). A person's race or sex should not be a determining factor in deserving to go to a public college, in any way, whether it is because of racism or quotas.
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    the problem isnt affirmative action its people using it improperly and abusing it or people improperly practicing it in way NOT intended because of extreme groups who will attempt to improperly use the 14th against them.


    Fact is ALL the 14th and affirmative action does force equal treatment of minorities and women etc. and doesnt allow you to discriminate based on THOSE things

    there is no law which mandates a QUOTA or RATIO.

    Things like these are made up by unions, business or people themselves not by law.
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