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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Just more proof that liberals are racist. Now it's considered unconstitutional if you don't discriminate.

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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

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    I've never understood why affirmative action is not considered a violation of the 14th??


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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    There are too many cases in the news of plain old white people, especially men, getting passed over for non-white people of lesser ability and qualifications. Sorry, but tis true. Affirmative Action is racist, IMO. Those are just cases in the news where people were IN the workplace and could see it in action. There are no stories about people over-looked for jobs because they are not the right race because they have no idea WHY they were not hired... I live in AZ, where you really can't get many jobs--- GOOD jobs-- unless you speak Spanish and can relate to the Latino community. Fact. The ads may say bi-lingual "preferred", legal stuff.. but reality is don't even bother applying if you don't speak Spanish.
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Link: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal - Education News Story - WDIV Detroit
    Umm.. What? So treating people as equal violates the eqal protection clause?
    Insane..
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    You should read the actual ruling and see what exactly it says.
    Do you have a link?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Back to main topic-- now that Obama has basically passed the Dream Act using ICE as his cover-- will AA put minority kids above non minority kids in college acceptance, and military acceptance?? SO... ICE (OBAMA) says they can stay IF.. lots of things... then they get preferential treatment in college acceptance?? Yes, No, don't know?? PLUS-- illegals can get money from MALDEF for college... that is racist, too, of course..
    When will it end?
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by krickitt View Post
    There are too many cases in the news of plain old white people, especially men, getting passed over for non-white people of lesser ability and qualifications. Sorry, but tis true. Affirmative Action is racist, IMO. Those are just cases in the news where people were IN the workplace and could see it in action. There are no stories about people over-looked for jobs because they are not the right race because they have no idea WHY they were not hired... I live in AZ, where you really can't get many jobs--- GOOD jobs-- unless you speak Spanish and can relate to the Latino community. Fact. The ads may say bi-lingual "preferred", legal stuff.. but reality is don't even bother applying if you don't speak Spanish.
    At what you are not getting this has to do with the employer falsely using Affirmative Action or being scared into it by some extremist cry baby group. Its not affirmative action or the 14th itself.

    And I seriously its as dramatic as you make it LOL "to many news stories" LOL

    try to also realize that the REAL reality is america is 72% white so even if every minority was employed there would still be lots of jobs but of course every minority isnt because (im going to make fun of stereo typing) they are all free loaders and on welfare, drugs, unemployment and government assistance.

    Now Im not saying YOU said that last part so please dont take it that way just pointing out how theres 2 sides to every coin and some people (not you) are so hypocritical and void of reality around here. Its very entertaining
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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    You should read the actual ruling and see what exactly it says.
    Do you have a link?
    Mich. ban on race in college admissions illegal
    The court mostly was concerned about how the affirmative action ban was created. Because it was passed as an amendment to the state constitution, it can only be changed with another statewide vote. This places a big burden on minorities who object to it, judges R. Guy Cole Jr. and Martha Craig Daughtrey said.

    The ban's supporters could have chosen "less onerous avenues to effect political change," the judges said in the court's opinion.
    I don’t see the logic here. They say the law is fine the way it is written but overturned it because it would require another statewide vote to change it?

    What the hell are these judges smoking?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    The judge seems to think that minorities don't quite get this whole voting thing and that places a burden on them.

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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    It seems that posters here are barking up the wrong tree. this wasn't ruled based on what some seems to think (or wish) it was based on.
    Here's the actual opinion:

    http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/opinions...1a0174p-06.pdf


    It seems that if they had passed this in another way, ie not a constitutional amendment, it would have stood
    .


    nothing to see here actually, people
    much more boring than you had hoped

    a. Hunter
    The Supreme Court in Hunter addressed a situation where the citizens of Akron,
    Ohio overturned a fair housing ordinance enacted by the City Council. 393 U.S. at 386.
    The citizenry did more than merely repeal the ordinance, however. It amended the city
    charter through a referendum to require the approval of a majority of the electorate
    before any ordinance regulating real estate “on the basis of race, color, religion, national
    origin or ancestry”—past or future—could become effective. Id. at 387, 390 n.6. In
    other words, only ordinances based on the identified factors required approval of the
    majority; ordinances based on any other factor required only a vote by the City Council:
    In essence, the amendment changed the requirements for the adoption of
    one type of local legislation: to enact an ordinance barring housing
    discrimination on the basis of race or religion, proponents had to obtain
    the approval of the City Council and of a majority of the voters citywide.
    To enact an ordinance preventing housing discrimination on other
    grounds, or to enact any other type of housing ordinance, proponents
    needed the support of only the City Council.
    Seattle, 458 U.S. at 468 (describing Hunter). The effect was not only to halt operation
    of the existing fair housing ordinance, but also to erect a barrier to any similar ordinance
    in the future. Hunter, 393 U.S. at 389.
    The Court found that the disparity between the process for enacting a future fair
    housing ordinance and that for enacting any other housing ordinance “place[d] special
    burden[s] on racial minorities within the governmental process” by making it
    “substantially more difficult to secure enactment” only of legislation that would be to
    their benefit. Id. at 390-91. While the enactment treated “Negro and white, Jew and
    gentile” in an identical manner, the Court found that “the reality is that the law’s impact
    falls on the minority.” Id. at 391. That the law had been enacted via a popular
    referendum did not save it from implementing “a real, substantial, and invidious denial
    of the equal protection of the laws.” Id. at 392-93
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Mich. Ban On Race In College Admissions Illegal

    Most likely if they had simply passed a law the court would have ruled that they needed to pass a amendment. In the end it should have simply been tossed because it's a racist policy and that would conflict with nearly everything in the Constitution.
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