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Strauss-Kahn Case Seen as In Jeopardy

Strauss-Kahn Case Seen as in Jeopardy

From The New York Times:

The sexual assault case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn is on the verge of collapse as investigators have uncovered major holes in the credibility of the housekeeper who charged that he attacked her in his Manhattan hotel suite in May, according to two well-placed law enforcement officials.

Although forensic tests found unambiguous evidence of a sexual encounter between Mr. Strauss-Kahn, a French politician, and the woman, prosecutors do not believe much of what the accuser has told them about the circumstances or about herself.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/nyregion/strauss-kahn-case-seen-as-in-jeopardy.html

As previously noted, I believe Mr. Strauss-Kahn should be viewed with a presumption of innocence. If, in the end, Mr. Strauss-Kahn is acquitted or released on account of his accuser's false allegations, he will still have suffered the loss of his IMF position. It might not be too late for him to return to French politics, but the unresolved alleged incidents in France would have to be addressed on their own merits.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
From The New York Times:



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/nyregion/strauss-kahn-case-seen-as-in-jeopardy.html

As previously noted, I believe Mr. Strauss-Kahn should be viewed with a presumption of innocence. If, in the end, Mr. Strauss-Kahn is acquitted or released on account of his accuser's false allegations, he will still have suffered the loss of his IMF position. It might not be too late for him to return to French politics, but the unresolved alleged incidents in France would have to be addressed on their own merits.
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a most excellent point though I admit I enjoyed seeing a Eurosocialist in hot water.
 
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Well, maybe she is some kind of criminal. Maybe she was involved in setting him up. Or maybe she is some sort of criminal but he really did rape her and now he will walk for it. I read before that she and her family are Muslims, didn't think much of it, but when I hear about lies, lots of money floating around in those lies.. drugs, secret cell phones.. that makes me a little nervous, all things considered. I HOPE he didn't rape her now, because it sounds like he will walk away from this. Someone would have to be squeaky clean to beat his kind of money. Everything else I have read about her makes her sound like a saint. Interesting. We'll see.. He's still a creep, though, according to all the others that came forward. AHHH- lifestyles of power elite.......
 
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and the truth comes out.... but far too late for Strauss-Kahn.. his life is pretty much over.
 
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The sexual assault case against Dominique Strauss-Kahn is on the verge of collapse as investigators have uncovered major holes in the credibility of the housekeeper who charged that he attacked her in his Manhattan hotel suite in May, according to two well-placed law enforcement officials.

Although forensic tests found unambiguous evidence of a sexual encounter between Mr. Strauss-Kahn, a French politician, and the woman, prosecutors do not believe much of what the accuser has told them about the circumstances or about herself.
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donsutherland1 said:
From The New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/nyregion/strauss-kahn-case-seen-as-in-jeopardy.html

As previously noted, I believe Mr. Strauss-Kahn should be viewed with a presumption of innocence. If, in the end, Mr. Strauss-Kahn is acquitted or released on account of his accuser's false allegations, he will still have suffered the loss of his IMF position. It might not be too late for him to return to French politics, but the unresolved alleged incidents in France would have to be addressed on their own merits.
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Shouldn't the information about the "victim" have been easily available to the Police Detectives and the Prosecutors?

This makes me wonder if there was not a rush to judgement or possibly even some political motive behind all this.
 
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Councilman said:
Shouldn't the information about the "victim" have been easily available to the Police Detectives and the Prosecutors?
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"Easily" ... no. She is after all an immigrant from an African country. Information about people is not exactly lying around in such places. The only place they can get information is from her time in the US and that also takes time. As far as I understand it, it was suspect mobile phone calls and a conversation to a prison inmate after the arrest that first put the prosecutors on to her. I suspect if they investigated her in her African country then they would find interesting issues also.

The real question is if they should have waited in arresting Strauss-Kahn till they had done their investigation of the accuser....

This makes me wonder if there was not a rush to judgement
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LOL, of course there was. The whole American judicial system is a rush to judgement against any accused. Parading a person in handcuffs in front of the world media implies that the person is guilty and taints the case against the person especially in jury trials.

or possibly even some political motive behind all this.
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Now that is the real question. Is it political as in American anti-French bias in the prosecutors office/political system or is it political attack from France to prevent him from running against Sarkozy.

Considering that the woman is suspected of having lied and seen this case as a cash cow, then maybe she was bought.
 
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PeteEU said:
Now that is the real question. Is it political as in American anti-French bias in the prosecutors office/political system or is it political attack from France to prevent him from running against Sarkozy.

Considering that the woman is suspected of having lied and seen this case as a cash cow, then maybe she was bought.
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It is interesting to note that Strauss-Kahn and Aubry had an agreement that they would not compete against each others during the socialist primary. Yesterday, she finally declared that she will run for the presidential election. And now, this.
 
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PeteEU said:
"Easily" ... no. She is after all an immigrant from an African country. Information about people is not exactly lying around in such places. The only place they can get information is from her time in the US and that also takes time. As far as I understand it, it was suspect mobile phone calls and a conversation to a prison inmate after the arrest that first put the prosecutors on to her. I suspect if they investigated her in her African country then they would find interesting issues also.

The real question is if they should have waited in arresting Strauss-Kahn till they had done their investigation of the accuser....

LOL, of course there was. The whole American judicial system is a rush to judgement against any accused. Parading a person in handcuffs in front of the world media implies that the person is guilty and taints the case against the person especially in jury trials.

Now that is the real question. Is it political as in American anti-French bias in the prosecutors office/political system or is it political attack from France to prevent him from running against Sarkozy.

Considering that the woman is suspected of having lied and seen this case as a cash cow, then maybe she was bought.
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I have had extensive dealing with Police and the FBI, all from the right side of the law, and I can tell you they have resources you would not believe when they want to know something.

I agree that when it comes to dealing with most African Countries but it's been a very long time and the political fallout has already taken a toll. Not earth shaking but still.

Maybe justice will be done in the end where she will be charged with filing a false report and if they play her right they can find out who either put her up to it, or paid her to.
 
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Here's a case where I bought into the hype for the most part. Strauss-Khan's past history, his high position, the media's coverage leveraging how he was in line for the French Presidency, yadda yadda.... I swallowed it and said to myself, "Yep, the guy probably has an overblown ego, thought he could do whatever he wanted; guilty. The only thing that didn't make sense to me was why he would have left the hotel after the alleged rape, and go to lunch instead of going right to the plane. The guy was perp walked - I mean it's NYC. NOW we find out this may have been a scam... the supposed victim is less than credible and Strauss-Khan may be set free today. I think we as citizens also WANT to believe the victim out of sympathy or empathy... this was a good lesson for me yet again. DON'T BUY INTO THE HYPE - in fact, ignore it. Fact only no matter how bad it looks. I'm reminded of 2006, Crystal Magnum, a DA named Nifong (now disbarred and disgraced) and how this bi-polar, pill popping stripper....

s-CRYSTAL-MANGUM-MUGSHOT-large.jpg


Destroyed the lives of 3 young men. Who is this 32 year old house keeper? Why has she been hidden away?


We need a conversation on how woman have the power to destroy someone's life with an accusation. My opinion here is if such an accusation is false and found to be false - the penalty should be exacting and severe. So severe that it would make such a false accusation to terrible as to not be attempted.
 
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The timing of this, just after a new IMF chief is in place...

Just gonna fuel the tin foils.
 
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donsutherland1 said:
From The New York Times:



http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/01/nyregion/strauss-kahn-case-seen-as-in-jeopardy.html

As previously noted, I believe Mr. Strauss-Kahn should be viewed with a presumption of innocence. If, in the end, Mr. Strauss-Kahn is acquitted or released on account of his accuser's false allegations, he will still have suffered the loss of his IMF position. It might not be too late for him to return to French politics, but the unresolved alleged incidents in France would have to be addressed on their own merits.
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i hope the woman is deported.
 
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PeteEU said:
and the truth comes out.... but far too late for Strauss-Kahn.. his life is pretty much over.
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Not necessarily. The French press is reporting that his party is hoping he'll come back to politics if and when he clears his name. In the US, yes, his political life would be over. In France, I wouldn't count him out just yet.
 
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liblady said:
i hope the woman is deported.
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If, in the end, Mr. Strauss-Kahn is cleared, I believe the woman should be prosecuted for such charges as might be relevant. If some of the news stories about her activities are accurate e.g., the reported phone call about discussing how to profit from the alleged incident, there is additional criminal activity involved.

At the same time, if he is cleared, I don't believe it would be a bad thing if Mr. Strauss-Kahn were to seek substantial damages from NYC, the NYC Police Department, and the officers who participated in parading him before the media and public in handcuffs. IMO, such a practice, which takes place before any court has rendered its verdict, is inherently contradictory to a presumption of innocence. It is excessive and wholly unnecessary.
 
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French politics are extremely dirty. I had a feeling from the beginning that this was some kind of a setup.

The woman can't be deported at this point even if she is illegal. She probably (my guess) was issued a U visa.
 
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I disagree that he should sue. If ever there was a flight risk he is it. As for perp walks-- happens all the time. Part of being rich and famous is you WILL be on the news if you get arrested.
As for her-- yes, she can be deported if it turns out she is involved in criminal activity or lied to get her Visa..

Deportation / Removal - Immigration Law | Lawyers Legal Laws
 
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Ockham said:
Here's a case where I bought into the hype for the most part. Strauss-Khan's past history, his high position, the media's coverage leveraging how he was in line for the French Presidency, yadda yadda.... I swallowed it and said to myself, "Yep, the guy probably has an overblown ego, thought he could do whatever he wanted; guilty. The only thing that didn't make sense to me was why he would have left the hotel after the alleged rape, and go to lunch instead of going right to the plane. The guy was perp walked - I mean it's NYC. NOW we find out this may have been a scam... the supposed victim is less than credible and Strauss-Khan may be set free today. I think we as citizens also WANT to believe the victim out of sympathy or empathy... this was a good lesson for me yet again. DON'T BUY INTO THE HYPE - in fact, ignore it. Fact only no matter how bad it looks. I'm reminded of 2006, Crystal Magnum, a DA named Nifong (now disbarred and disgraced) and how this bi-polar, pill popping stripper....

s-CRYSTAL-MANGUM-MUGSHOT-large.jpg


Destroyed the lives of 3 young men. Who is this 32 year old house keeper? Why has she been hidden away?


We need a conversation on how woman have the power to destroy someone's life with an accusation. My opinion here is if such an accusation is false and found to be false - the penalty should be exacting and severe. So severe that it would make such a false accusation to terrible as to not be attempted.
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I agree-20 years in prison is about right

that stripper in the Duke case--well lets say anything short of those boys calling in a cleaner would have been appropriate
 
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Even if she is a bad lady-- that does not mean he did not rape her. Attacking the victim is what rapists do. How many women get raped dog faced drunk, doing things they really should not have done?? Does not mean they were not raped, but it is sure a reason people get away with rape. More go unreported than reported. There is a good reason for this, and this case could be a case study in why you should not report a rape...
 
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krickitt said:
Even if she is a bad lady-- that does not mean he did not rape her. Attacking the victim is what rapists do. How many women get raped dog faced drunk, doing things they really should not have done?? Does not mean they were not raped, but it is sure a reason people get away with rape. More go unreported than reported. There is a good reason for this, and this case could be a case study in why you should not report a rape...
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hard to say in this case

same with some other high profile cases

in the Duke case the stripper should be rotting in prison
 
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I agree in the Duke case. This one is not fully revealed yet. May never be. A lot of money involved in fighting this one.
 
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According to the two officials, the woman had a phone conversation with an incarcerated man within a day of her encounter with Mr. Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him. The conversation was recorded.

That man, the investigators learned, had been arrested on charges of possessing 400 pounds of marijuana. He is among a number of individuals who made multiple cash deposits, totaling around $100,000, into the woman’s bank account over the last two years. The deposits were made in Arizona, Georgia, New York and Pennsylvania.
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In addition, one of the officials said, she told investigators that her application for asylum included mention of a previous rape, but there was no such account in the application. She also told them that she had been subjected to genital mutilation, but her account to the investigators differed from what was contained in the asylum application.
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Source: The New York Times

Yeah, I would have a hard time believing her as well.
 
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krickitt said:
I disagree that he should sue. If ever there was a flight risk he is it. As for perp walks-- happens all the time. Part of being rich and famous is you WILL be on the news if you get arrested.
As for her-- yes, she can be deported if it turns out she is involved in criminal activity or lied to get her Visa..

Deportation / Removal - Immigration Law | Lawyers Legal Laws
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Just for reference, I mean at this point in time she cannot be. That U Visa is a very serious thing though. Those aren't given out and taken away with ease.
 
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Thx for bringing that to my attention.

Conference Addresses Immigrant Abuse

What a scam.. all you do is say you were blahblahblah, and you are safe... the more I know the more I know I don't know much. Load of BS if you ask me. THIS will be my "education" of the day, no doubt.
 
And how many here were ready to hang this dude from the nearest rafter?

Now what can't be undone is the permanent damage to his name and reputation, as he will forever be the "IMF guy who was accused of sexual assault."

I've said it before and I will say it again, prosecutors who prosecute sex crime cases that are found not guilty should be eligible to be sued by the defendant for defamation of character.
 
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krickitt said:
Thx for bringing that to my attention.

Conference Addresses Immigrant Abuse

What a scam.. all you do is say you were blahblahblah, and you are safe... the more I know the more I know I don't know much. Load of BS if you ask me. THIS will be my "education" of the day, no doubt.
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No problem... a lot of people don't know what a U visa is, and in my experience they are never really abused like that. There has to be some merit to your case to be issued one, and it requires that you work with law enforcement to pursue whatever crime you were a victim of.
 
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