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Obama Renews the War on Marijuana

WI Crippler said:
I love it when people think legalizing pot is going to save the economy and/or our country. I don't care if you want to smoke it, and I think we are a bit harsh with it at times but its not like legalizing pot and gay marriage are going to get this country back on track.
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Please define "Get this country back on track."
 
And to think of all the Potheads who voted for Obama.........with legalization and decriminilization at the top of their priority list....

...now filling their bongs with tears and empty Obama rhetoric......
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My big problem with this is that this is going back to Bush admin policy. Bush admin policy was to go after medical marijuana warehouses and shops in states with legalized med marijuana laws. Obama's administration then reversed that, and now it's back. And a month after that global commission report too... really this irks me a lot.
 
BDBoop said:
Please define "Get this country back on track."
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I don't know. People of every political stripe are bitching about everything as though life is so awful and terrible in America. I'm all for legalizing gay marriage, and don't have a huge issue with marijuana legalization either. but to think that it's going to curb the bitching at all if those things happen is dumb IMO. People will just find some other "right" they perceive as being trampled on and bitch about what a backwards third world country culture we have.
 
WI Crippler said:
I don't know. People of every political stripe are bitching about everything as though life is so awful and terrible in America. I'm all for legalizing gay marriage, and don't have a huge issue with marijuana legalization either. but to think that it's going to curb the bitching at all if those things happen is dumb IMO. People will just find some other "right" they perceive as being trampled on and bitch about what a backwards third world country culture we have.
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While I disagree that legalizing marijuana wouldn't have far reaching positive effects, I see your point about people bitching that this is a third world country. I really am getting sick of all these comments from people, not really people on this website, but just all around in person and on TV, that we are failing as nation or going to be taken over by the Chinese.
 
The main reason that this upsets me is that it contradicts the earlier memo that seemed to give people confidence in this new and open kind of business. Now it will not only be forced underground again, the people who thought it was safe under this administration are going to be blatant targets.

I also find it puzzling that during a recession, Obama would choose to attack business in this way. I wonder who got to him, to change his mind. This is obviously a sharp reversal.

WI Crippler said:
I don't know. People of every political stripe are bitching about everything as though life is so awful and terrible in America. I'm all for legalizing gay marriage, and don't have a huge issue with marijuana legalization either. but to think that it's going to curb the bitching at all if those things happen is dumb IMO. People will just find some other "right" they perceive as being trampled on and bitch about what a backwards third world country culture we have.
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I don't see anyone here claiming that pot legalization would be a cure all, so I'm not sure why you are going off on this kind of rant. It's enough that it's no more harmful than cigarettes and alcohol, it can create revenue in areas with pre-existing marijuana economy, and that the states for whom it is important have already spoken.

It doesn't have to be our silver bullet to have our attention, does it? I can think of few other government departments that have been such a colossal failure in policy and waste of money as the DEA. We have families and young people being shot up all along the border over this plant. It's a crime against humanity to continue prosecuting its possession or sale.
 
WI Crippler said:
I don't know. People of every political stripe are bitching about everything as though life is so awful and terrible in America. I'm all for legalizing gay marriage, and don't have a huge issue with marijuana legalization either. but to think that it's going to curb the bitching at all if those things happen is dumb IMO. People will just find some other "right" they perceive as being trampled on and bitch about what a backwards third world country culture we have.
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I've been there. I think it comes from spending too much time on this board. I'm doing more things now to balance out, so I don't come away singing "It's the end of the world as we know it!"
 
Your high on MarijObama and Hopium.......

Gargantuan said:
My big problem with this is that this is going back to Bush admin policy. Bush admin policy was to go after medical marijuana warehouses and shops in states with legalized med marijuana laws. Obama's administration then reversed that, and now it's back. And a month after that global commission report too... really this irks me a lot.
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Obama never reversed jack ****.....like everything else from the 24/7 Lie Factory.......he just talks about change....

From the article in the op:

Yet the DEA's medical marijuana raids not only have continued but are more frequent under Obama than they were under George W. Bush. Americans for Safe Access (ASA), which argues that patients who can benefit from marijuana should be able to obtain it legally, counts well over 100 raids in the two years and four months since Obama's inauguration, compared to about 200 during Bush's eight years in office. "The Obama administration really is being more aggressive than the administration of his predecessor,"

Did you really think Big Liberal Nanny State Government was going to let Pot Smokers just toke it up? (See Tobacco smokers, French Fry Eaters)
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Badmutha said:
Your high on MarijObama and Hopium.......



Obama never reversed jack ****.....like everything else from the 24/7 Lie Factory.......he just talks about change....

From the article in the op:

Yet the DEA's medical marijuana raids not only have continued but are more frequent under Obama than they were under George W. Bush. Americans for Safe Access (ASA), which argues that patients who can benefit from marijuana should be able to obtain it legally, counts well over 100 raids in the two years and four months since Obama's inauguration, compared to about 200 during Bush's eight years in office. "The Obama administration really is being more aggressive than the administration of his predecessor,"

Did you really think Big Liberal Nanny State Government was going to let Pot Smokers just toke it up? (See Tobacco smokers)
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Yes he did. Initially the Justice Department was ordered to stop cracking down on medicinal marijuana suppliers in states that it was legalized in.
 
Gargantuan said:
Yes he did. Initially the Justice Department was ordered to stop cracking down on medicinal marijuana suppliers in states that it was legalized in.
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Eventually you have to realize what The Kenyan Tyrant says and does are polar opposites............

counts well over 100 raids in the two years and four months since Obama's inauguration, compared to about 200 during Bush's eight years in office.
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Badmutha said:
Eventually you have to realize what The Kenyan Tyrant says and does are polar opposites............

counts well over 100 raids in the two years and four months since Obama's inauguration, compared to about 200 during Bush's eight years in office.
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October 19,2009

MEMORANDUM FOR SELECTED UNITED STATES ATTORNEYS

FROM: David W. Ogden, Deputy Attorney General

SUBJECT: Investigations and Prosecutions in States Authorizing the Medical Use of Marijuana

This memorandum provides clarification and guidance to federal prosecutors in States that have enacted laws authorizing the medical use of marijuana. These laws vary in their substantive provisions and in the extent of state regulatory oversight, both among the enacting States and among local jurisdictions within those States. Rather than developing different guidelines for every possible variant of state and local law, this memorandum provides uniform guidance to focus federal investigations and prosecutions in these States on core federal enforcement priorities.

The Department of Justice is committed to the enforcement of the Controlled Substances Act in all States. Congress has determined that marijuana is a dangerous drug, and the illegal distribution and sale of marijuana is a serious crime and provides a significant source of revenue to large-scale criminal enterprises, gangs, and cartels. One timely example underscores the importance of our efforts to prosecute significant marijuana traffickers: marijuana distribution in the United States remains the single largest source of revenue for the Mexican cartels.

The Department is also committed to making efficient and rational use of its limited investigative and prosecutorial resources. In general, United States Attorneys are vested with “plenary authority with regard to federal criminal matters” within their districts. USAM 9-2.001. In exercising this authority, United States Attorneys are “invested by statute and delegation from the Attorney General with the broadest discretion in the exercise of such authority.” Id. This authority should, of course, be exercised consistent with Department priorities and guidance.

The prosecution of significant traffickers of illegal drugs, including marijuana, and the disruption of illegal drug manufacturing and trafficking networks continues to be a core priority in the Department’s efforts against narcotics and dangerous drugs, and the Department’s investigative and prosecutorial resources should be directed towards these objectives. As a general matter, pursuit of these priorities should not focus federal resources in your States on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana. For example, prosecution of individuals with cancer or other serious illnesses who use marijuana as part of a recommended treatment regimen consistent with applicable state law, or those caregivers in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state law who provide such individuals with marijuana, is unlikely to be an efficient use of limited federal resources. On the other hand, prosecution of commercial enterprises that unlawfully market and sell marijuana for profit continues to be an enforcement priority of the Department. To be sure, claims of compliance with state or local law may mask operations inconsistent with the terms, conditions, or purposes of those laws, and federal law enforcement should not be deterred by such assertions when otherwise pursuing the Department’s core enforcement priorities.

Typically, when any of the following characteristics is present, the conduct will not be in clear and unambiguous compliance with applicable state law and may indicate illegal drug trafficking activity of potential federal interest:

unlawful possession or unlawful use of firearms;
violence;
sales to minors;
financial and marketing activities inconsistent with the terms, conditions, or purposes of state law, including evidence of money laundering activity and/or financial gains or excessive amounts of cash inconsistent with purported compliance with state or local law;
amounts of marijuana inconsistent with purported compliance with state or local law;
illegal possession or sale of other controlled substances; or
ties to other criminal enterprises.

Of course, no State can authorize violations of federal law, and the list of factors above is not intended to describe exhaustively when a federal prosecution may be warranted. Accordingly, in prosecutions under the Controlled Substances Act, federal prosecutors are not expected to charge, prove, or otherwise establish any state law violations. Indeed, this memorandum does not alter in any way the Department’s authority to enforce federal law, including laws prohibiting the manufacture, production, distribution, possession, or use of marijuana on federal property. This guidance regarding resource allocation does not “legalize” marijuana or provide a legal defense to a violation of federal law, nor is it intended to create any privileges, benefits, or rights, substantive or procedural, enforceable by any individual, party or witness in any administrative, civil, or criminal matter. Nor does clear and unambiguous compliance with state law or the absence of one or all of the above factors create a legal defense to a violation of the Controlled Substances Act. Rather, this memorandum is intended solely as a guide to the exercise of investigative and prosecutorial discretion.

Finally, nothing herein precludes investigation or prosecution where there is a reasonable basis to believe that compliance with state law is being invoked as a pretext for the production or distribution of marijuana for purposes not authorized by state law. Nor does this guidance preclude investigation or prosecution, even when there is clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state law, in particular circumstances where investigation or prosecution otherwise serves important federal interests.

Your offices should continue to review marijuana cases for prosecution on a case-by-case basis, consistent with the guidance on resource allocation and federal priorities set forth herein, the consideration of requests for federal assistance from state and local law enforcement authorities, and the Principles of Federal Prosecution.

cc: All United States Attorneys

Lanny A. Breuer
Assistant Attorney General Criminal Division

B. Todd Jones
United States Attorney
District of Minnesota
Chair, Attorney General’s Advisory Committee

Michele M. Leonhart
Acting Administrator
Drug Enforcement Administration

H. Marshall Jarrett
Director
Executive Office for United States Attorneys

Kevin L. Perkins
Assistant Director
Criminal Investigative Division
Federal Bureau of Investigation


That was what effectively told the states that they can do as they please once they legalized medicinal.. notably, I love how this memorandum says that marijuana is a huge source of revenue for cartels.. LEGALIZE IT AND THE CARTELS ARE ****ED... HELLO?
 
Gargantuan said:
That was what effectively told the states that they can do as they please once they legalized medicinal.. notably, I love how this memorandum says that marijuana is a huge source of revenue for cartels.. LEGALIZE IT AND THE CARTELS ARE ****ED... HELLO?
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Yes and thats wonderful.......Im sure Obama sent a box of chocolates and sweet kisses with that statement.........but what he didnt do.......and a Democrat Controlled Senate and Democrat Controlled House didnt do........was change THE LAW.

counts well over 100 raids in the two years and four months since Obama's inauguration

Almost like he wanted them to start up.......to come out of the shadows so to say.......so he could come in and seize all their ****.
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.......think what you want.....but if you think The Liberal Big Government Nanny State is ever going to legalize anything......you better put down the Hopium.....
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Unfortunately, no drugs for me... wish I could though. I don't really drink and a nice joint a few times a month would be great.. especially for the cancer killing properties.
 
I suspect that its the drug cartels that are actually behind the US's war on (specific) drugs. They're the ones that profit the most from it, and they have the money to buy any politician they want.

But while creating laws that increase the power of cartels/monopolies is generally considered bad, not all the South American illicit drug organizations can just be considered "bad." It's known that the Armed Revolutionary Forces of Columbia (FARC) are key cocaine producers, and derive much of their funding from cocaine sales, and that organization has historically been a powerful deterrent to US imperialistic practices and its sponsored exploitation-friendly polititicans in Columbia. Without them, many of the poor, indigenous peoples of Columbia would've been wiped off the map years ago.

But of course, as is the case w/any organization ("legal" or otherwise), there's bound to be corruption within it--the kind that's counterproductive to its official (on paper) objective.
 
WI Crippler said:
I love it when people think legalizing pot is going to save the economy and/or our country. I don't care if you want to smoke it, and I think we are a bit harsh with it at times but its not like legalizing pot and gay marriage are going to get this country back on track.
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Legalizing pot would be a huge step toward ending the war on drugs entirely, which has played a huge role in impoverishing communities in America, inciting civil war in Mexico, and contributing to the grotesque nature of our criminal justice system. Most of our major problems have complicated solutions, but this one is pretty simple: legalize it. Offhand I can't think of any other single action that would do more for the long-term wellbeing of our country.
 
Gargantuan said:
Unfortunately, no drugs for me... wish I could though. I don't really drink and a nice joint a few times a month would be great.. especially for the cancer killing properties.
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Your sure your not high right now?
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So it's a youthful indiscretion when Obama smoked pot...but if anyone ELSE has a "youthful indiscretion" of their own, they deserve to be arrested. And God forbid if someone actually has a legitimate medical REASON for using marijuana (which is more than can be said for Obama himself)...

What an asshat. Obama has been a huge ****ing disappointment on this issue, and Eric Holder is one of the worst attorneys general ever. I thought we couldn't get much worse than John Ashcroft and Alberto Gonzales, but I was wrong.
 
solletica said:
I suspect that its the drug cartels that are actually behind the US's war on (specific) drugs.
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That.....or its a few hundred statists that want to control every aspect of this economy and society.......

....you know.....the kind that want to control your health care....what you can eat.....NO SMOKING.....The Water Level in your toilet......what kind of lightbulbs you can buy.......everything under the global warming sun.........including drug use.


The kind of Liberal Nanny Statists that thought it would be good for the general welfare.......to outlaw BEER......hmmmm
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How very disappointing. I don't know why I keep forgetting that he is a politician.
 
So the 'dispensaries' go back underground and call themselves 'dealers' again.

Nothing changes.
 
When Big Pharma has figured out a way to have complete control over the pot market then, and only then, will it be legalized. In fact, I seem to remember that they have federal permission to use THC in some pills already. In this case the cartels are nothing but a smokescreen for what's really going on, IMO.
 
Badmutha said:
Yes and thats wonderful.......Im sure Obama sent a box of chocolates and sweet kisses with that statement.........but what he didnt do.......and a Democrat Controlled Senate and Democrat Controlled House didnt do........was change THE LAW.

counts well over 100 raids in the two years and four months since Obama's inauguration

Almost like he wanted them to start up.......to come out of the shadows so to say.......so he could come in and seize all their ****.
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.......think what you want.....but if you think The Liberal Big Government Nanny State is ever going to legalize anything......you better put down the Hopium.....
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Conservatives, (self described, of course) on the other hand, are totally on board with legalizing pot.

Right?
 
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