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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    I seriously say let them go. Operating from a place of fear is flat-out ****ing ridiculous. "What? Timmy's going to take his Lego's and go play at Bobby's house? ZOMG! We must stop him!" Bull****.
    They won't do their jobs... they are freaking cowards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The bold highlights the cough... cough... bull****. Ever been to China? They replace barricades that restrict truck access on a daily basis.
    I admit I don't know much about China and how their Communist Republic actually works, but I think it's interesting...

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I am not praising China, nor do I desire to live there... The fact is America used to invest in infrastructure and spend money on things like inventing electricity and NASA. Now we have bridges collapsing and killing people. We once put a man on the damn moon. We built the highway system and that was amazing in its time.

    And now it seems you are telling me we have to let China pass us up, because it can ONLY be done on the backs of the people... slave laboring with zero workers rights? America didn't build infrastructure that way, never did.

    But it's ironic to notice that you are conservative and the GOP is trying to hamper worker rights in this country, however, your attitude is still... we can't compete with China, we can't have modern, state of the art infrastructure. Sounds to me like the GOP's attitude is to weaken worker rights for the sake of budgeting, but won't use any proceeds to invest in the country. They won't anything to invest in the country.

    The Chinese government has a different attitude than the GOP, little workers rights but use the proceeds to invest in the country. I am not not saying I agree with what China does, I don't... but it begs the question, why don't you believe in investing in America and when will be the time?

    I think American people lost their drive and their ambition, setting high goals and actually reaching them. We don't want to be the best anymore. People don't want to be a modern high tech country because it involves some government planning, and government officials have duped us into not trusting them instead of expecting them to make us succeed.
    Perhaps you mean generating? Nobody "invented" electricity. Ben Franklin discovered conductivity, Edison discovered how to use it to generate light...neither one of them received government money that I'm aware of. As for the rest of your post, I'm not responding to assumptions and generalizations because they're a waste of time and, quite frankly, you wouldn't listen anyway.

    I did not say we can't compete with China. My point was that China is doing things the wrong way. They're investing in infrastructure but not in people. People suffer, infrastructure is going to waste, money is being wasted, and the people are no better for it. What does it matter if they have state of the art cities but nobody living in them??? To say "China's doing this and we should too" is a very generalized, vague argument. Should we invest in infrastructure? Sure! Should we penalize people do to it, like China does? Hell no! Should we create super state-of-the-art cities that nobody can afford to live in? Absolutely not!

    When the money doesn't exist, changes have to be made. We can't keep paying for everything everybody wants when the money doesn't exist. Do you buy your son a brand new graphics computer for college at $1600 when the mortgage is due and you're $300 short? That computer would sure help him, but so does having a house. Tough decisions have to made by familes, and the government is no different. We can raise taxes every day on everybody above poverty but it won't solve the problem.

    Cuts are necessary. Spending is out of control, and yet the problems still exist. Do you ever stop to ask why? Do you ever even consider the fact that maybe money isn't the biggest or even most important problem in poor performance? Do you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, we spend so much time focusing on their message of cuts and punishment of the poor for lack of resources that we're missing for the forest for the trees? We don't ask them to justify the spending because they've convinced us we need it. But are we seeing results?
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Looking at houses right now...I can buy a house appraised at 98k with property taxes of $2300 a year, which is just about 2.347%. This is in Dallas county, an area with historically higher tax rates. So as far as high goes??? I can't compare that to another state, never bought or sought a house in one.
    Maybe the tax structure changed... but that is really not that important of a point, yet that's the only thing you decided to address in what I said.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    They won't do their jobs... they are freaking cowards.
    Did you call the dems cowards when they left the state to avoid debating/voting on the union buster bill Scott Walker was trying to push? Just curious.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    Riiiight. That's a GREAT idea...for a third world nation.

    Of course, we do have all these children just enjoying their childhoods. Why not put them back to work? Nothing builds character like forcing an 8 year old to do back breaking heavy labor 14 hours a day, every day for a few dollars a week...amiright?
    Well then I must life in a 3rd world nation, as I got the idea from our local city council's discussion on just that topic to try to keep the roads up while being very strapped for cash in this Obama economy.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Maybe the tax structure changed... but that is really not that important of a point, yet that's the only thing you decided to address in what I said.
    As I stated in another post, I don't address generalities and assumptions.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    as painfull as it may be, you are onto something.
    lets end the wars, all of them, iraq was the only real necessary message to send to state sponsored terrorism.
    so lets end them,
    your guy is in charge.. but dont hold your breath
    I think that most people would be satisfied if there was a definitive date for ALL troops being removed.

    I agree, while troops are being scaled down, we still have a large and expensive presence there that is likely to remain for quite some time even without a concrete objective.

    "declining wages" is just not true.. (source)
    In real terms, it's definitely true. Wages HAVE declined since 2000. There was an uptick because of the leadup to the sub-prime crisis but if you factor in the extreme devaluation of the US dollar, the middle-class and below takes a HUGE hit in the wage department.

    anemic job growth I will give you, but again, your guy is in charge right?
    "In charge" is such an exaggeration of the full situation. We have a government with 3 branches. The executive branch cannot force positive action from a party whose stated goal is to destroy the federal government, and therefore the US economy in general, in order to gut social spending while spending exponentially increasing sums of money on a "defense" budget that now seems primarily concerned with offense.

    Do the Dems share the blame at this point? Sure, but only because they seem willing to compromise their principles in the face of opponents who refuse to compromise.

    Private sector job growth has been anemic for the past decade. Again the only "shining" point since 2000 was the housing bubble created by empty financial mechanisms that put alot of money in the hands of the very people who are now "hands off" by the right as far as tax raises are concerned.



    and the infrastructure was supposed to be fixed by hiring millions of people with the stimulus money,
    but instead unions both public and private got their hands on it to boost up entitlement shortfalls instead.

    The stimulus wasn't intended to completely fix the infrastructure. It was intended to shore up jobs and stop the hemorrhaging created by the economic collapse. In order to fix our current infrastructure AND develop the infrastructure needed to grow an economy, we would have to take ALL the money from the military actions and devote it to infrastructure programs and it would still fall short.

    look,
    the liberal party is making clowns out of themselves, but they arent funny clowns...
    this is our future

    EXPOSED
    Nobody is laughing about the joke of an economy produced by nearly 6 years of complete control by the "conservative" party either.

    At least tax increases and infrastructure spending have proven records of success as demonstrated by the prosperity and growth generated by the "New Deal".
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    But that doesn't really prove anything.
    It proves it's not a myth. That was my only point. If you cannot get that yet or are trying to disprove some nuance, go ahead. But that was not my intent.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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