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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    These guys were $billions in the hole, you really think the richest Minnisotans will be able to make that up?
    No. I am just pointing out that is what the stalemate is over.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In the minds of the left isn't that always what it is about? Taking more from the productive to give to public sector union thugs?
    I hope the Republicans will stick to their guns. No increase in taxes or in tax rates. It is time for the unproductive to figure out life on their own.
    I didn't read the article as union busting... In fact, didn't read anything about unions, so why did you bring that up?

    And these people are productive... They work for schools as teachers and for the government filing paperwork and renewing your license. They are doing their job. The politicians also work for the government but it looks like the GOP is in favor of being unproductive here and going home to cry.

    Honestly, why even bring up productivity here... do you simply view this as on punishing people on welfare or what?

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Don't know, but the not-rich are irrelevant to my point which was to show the rich leaving is not a myth. Sure to find out how many others are leaving would be good background information - as well as understanding why they would be leaving. Sorry to be so focused but if I wasn't, the point tends to get lost in the noise.
    But that doesn't really prove anything. And it's counter-intuitive - the taxes on the rich are higher in most of the places these people are moving to than they are in the US.

    You also probably have the causation reversed. If you make less than $90,000 a year, you don't pay dual taxes. You only pay them in your country of residence. Therefore, people who aren't rich have no reason to renounce their citizenship over taxes, because they aren't being dual-taxed. Only the rich have a reason to do it.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    You're missing the point. They're not leaving. They have already left. The article states that they are renouncing their US citizenships because they have lived in another country and plan to stay there and no longer feel it's worth paying dual taxes to retain their citizenship.
    Businesses leave California
    193 Businesses Leave California in 2010: 4X Previous Year | UNCOVERAGE.net

    Now, why might they do that?
    http://www.californiascapitol.com/bl...ve-california/

    And look, population trends
    California population growth slows - SFGate

    Meanwhile, states with low or no business tax rate and low or no state-level income taxes are booming in comparison. I wonder if there's a correllation....
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Taxing the rich is such an easy answer to every problem. It requires no critical thought. And only one little knee jerk reaction.
    So far the only options parties are giving are... tax the rich or shut the government down. OK, lets see... does shutting the gov down require any critical thought? I don't think so, and I think it is a knee jerk reaction. It's also cowardly to boot. The GOP Isn't willing to debate or offer any other solutions, so they are just throwing their hands up and crying. They basically want to go home and expect the problem to fix itself.

    I voted for the GOP before, but as long as this **** continues to go on and on... I can't bring myself to vote for them again. They cling to the past and shut down in crises, because they are afraid to step out and offer something new and revolutionary for the party and the country. The only person that recently took a risk and tried to be an actual leader with a new idea had a publicly unfavorable idea, and got his ass beat down for trying to kill medicade. The party shouldn't conform to the party, it should conform to the people. The best reason to vote GOP is because it's not Obama, it's not Kerry, it's the lesser evil, or at least they don't support the gays or murdering babies. You sir, have most likely conformed to the party and are a republican through and though and through and through and through. Everything they say is right, yeah?

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    Yeah, just like "the plan" has worked for the past 11 years. Declining wages, anemic job growth and an infrastructure that is being allowed to rot around our ears. Hey, at least we can still spend trillions of dollars on unnecessary warfare, amiright?
    Not investing in infrastructure really ticks me off... China is investing in it. Their country is going to so much more technologically advanced, actually have manufacturing (courtesy of us), own our debt, own our future, and be in a better position to end their dependence on oil.

    I am really pissed...

    Sure the debt is a damn problem in this country. We shouldn't sell our future, but we shouldn't be too cowardly to invest in it either. Imagine if our debt was accumulated because we actually investment 2+ trillion in our infrastructure, instead of incurring that debt so some ****ing millionaires could pay less taxes and we could go into two ****ing wars.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So far the only options parties are giving are... tax the rich or shut the government down. OK, lets see... does shutting the gov down require any critical thought? I don't think so, and I think it is a knee jerk reaction. It's also cowardly to boot. The GOP Isn't willing to debate or offer any other solutions, so they are just throwing their hands up and crying. They basically want to go home and expect the problem to fix itself.

    I voted for the GOP before, but as long as this **** continues to go on and on... I can't bring myself to vote for them again. They cling to the past and shut down in crises, because they are afraid to step out and offer something new and revolutionary for the party and the country. The only person that recently took a risk and tried to be an actual leader with a new idea had a publicly unfavorable idea, and got his ass beat down for trying to kill medicade. The party shouldn't conform to the party, it should conform to the people. The best reason to vote GOP is because it's not Obama, it's not Kerry, it's the lesser evil, or at least they don't support the gays or murdering babies. You sir, have most likely conformed to the party and are a republican through and though and through and through and through. Everything they say is right, yeah?
    I wish the MN lawmakers could do what CA did. I just don't know how CA did an end-run around the Republicans who refused to budge.

    Maybe the National budget could follow suit.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Not investing in infrastructure really ticks me off... China is investing in it. Their country is going to so much more technologically advanced, actually have manufacturing (courtesy of us), own our debt, own our future, and be in a better position to end their dependence on oil.

    I am really pissed...

    Sure the debt is a damn problem in this country. We shouldn't sell our future, but we shouldn't be too cowardly to invest in it either. Imagine if our debt was accumulated because we actually investment 2+ trillion in our infrastructure, instead of incurring that debt so some ****ing millionaires could pay less taxes and we could go into two ****ing wars.
    They invest at the suffering of their people. Citizens in China work for almost nothing, in horrid conditions...while the Chinese govt. spends money on bridges and factories and cities that sit empty until they rot. Yeah, let's do a LOT of that. Sounds perfect.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    It's really a "so what" comment.

    From your article:
    "Also, persons who wish to renounce U.S. citizenship should also be aware that the fact that a person has renounced U.S. citizenship may have no effect whatsoever on his or her U.S. tax or military service obligations," according to the U.S. State Department's website. "In addition, the act of renouncing U.S. citizenship will not allow persons to avoid possible prosecution for crimes which they may have committed in the United States, or escape the repayment of financial obligations previously incurred in the United States or incurred as United States citizens abroad."
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    A "few percentage increases" isn't enough to close the budget gap. If they're the goose laying the golden egg you'd have to tax them at a significantly higher rate. As California has clearly displayed, punishing the wealthy through higher taxes makes them leave. So yeah, I can guarantee it. If they are taxed too heavily they will leave.
    Where do billionaires go when they leave? Europe has high taxes... everywhere that isn't 3rd or 2nd world has high taxes. I am just really interested where they'd go. There are also millionaires in Europe, so they aren't moving out nor have I ever heard that they are leaving in droves. I also know that some cities and townships have really ****ing high tax rates and property taxes, but people live there and choose to all the time.

    In fact, your state, Texas, I am told, has super high property taxes but people still choose to live there and buy property there. Alaska is the same... Alaska has no taxes for individuals, just super high property taxes.

    I know why people live in the local cities and townships here and pay high taxes.... it's because of the things the cities do with those taxes. Really good schools is usually top of the list. In Alaska every person gets an oil dividend or tax credit, so even though they pay super high property taxes they get something back.

    It's the whole, you get what you pay for thing... and America is starting to resemble a second world country IMHO. China is going to surpass us, and they are investing in their country. I don't want to pay higher taxes and feel like I am living in a country that is falling apart, but I would be willing to living in a country that is moving ahead and investing in itself and pay taxes. If you use 100% percent of the tax revenues to simply pay off the debt and let everything else crumble, people are going to be pissed and not enjoy living in America. The country has to be desirable to live in. We want our kids to have opportunities in the future, and want opportunities.

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