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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

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    His money would be paying for the roads anyway. Mine as well let him pay for it directly and contribute his labor. If everyone kept up the piece of road in front of their house at their own expense it would save the gov't billions.
    Riiiight. That's a GREAT idea...for a third world nation.

    Of course, we do have all these children just enjoying their childhoods. Why not put them back to work? Nothing builds character like forcing an 8 year old to do back breaking heavy labor 14 hours a day, every day for a few dollars a week...amiright?
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    That largely depends on where you live. I can likewise tell you the opposite was true in some places I lived. But that is the average.

    We're already starting to just look the other way when major corporations dodge around taxes. How long before we stop pretending we care and just get rid of their taxes all together? And who is that tax gap burden falling on? Before you tell me "the middle class," what do the middle class turn into when they run out of money?
    I don't play that class warfare game, first of all. Secondly, I never said I don't support corporate taxes. I actually advocate fairly loudly for the removal of subsidies and tax breaks, replacing them with a system of guaranteed, locked in, percentage based tax system (across the board, not bracketed). That would apply to citizens as well. This idea that we need to penalize somebody for success to benefit those who aren't as successful is illogical. The poor use more resources and cost more money than the rich. We need to find a way to fix that problem without penalizing either group. The simpliest solution in this case is not the most sound. Minnesota will lose businesses and wealthy residents if they decide to use them as the work horses to support budget gaps. Then those gaps (plus more) still exist, and now they can't rely on taxing those people anymore to solve the problem. So then what? Where do you go when you've drained the well?
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    Riiiight. That's a GREAT idea...for a third world nation.

    Of course, we do have all these children just enjoying their childhoods. Why not put them back to work? Nothing builds character like forcing an 8 year old to do back breaking heavy labor 14 hours a day, every day for a few dollars a week...amiright?
    Why are you using hyperbolic nonsense? That lends nothing to the debate (nothing more than self-paving does, for that matter).
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    You're misrepresenting the article.

    The US is one of the very few countries that requires you to pay taxes on money you make outside the country over $90,000. So you're paying taxes in 2 different countries.

    The only way around this is to renounce your citizenship.

    They are not leaving the US for lower taxes. They already left for some other reason. They are renouncing their citizenship so they don't have to pay taxes in a country they don't even live in.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    You're misrepresenting the article.

    The US is one of the very few countries that requires you to pay taxes on money you make outside the country over $90,000. So you're paying taxes in 2 different countries.

    The only way around this is to renounce your citizenship.

    They are not leaving the US for lower taxes. They already left for some other reason. They are renouncing their citizenship so they don't have to pay taxes in a country they don't even live in.
    They're leaving for more than one reason surely - but they're still leaving. My response is this is NOT a myth. I also never claimed to only represent one issue or reason why they are leaving. They could be leaving for more reasons than the article gave outside of taxes, finances, or maybe even other issues. That does not detract from the fact, at a 1,000 foot view, they are leaving. Hence my point: it's not a myth.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They're leaving for more than one reason surely - but they're still leaving. My response is this is NOT a myth. I also never claimed to only represent one issue or reason why they are leaving. They could be leaving for more reasons than the article gave outside of taxes, finances, or maybe even other issues. That does not detract from the fact, at a 1,000 foot view, they are leaving. Hence my point: it's not a myth.
    Well, sure... it just doesn't show that they're leaving for reasons that make it at all relevant to this thread.

    How many not-rich people are leaving is another question, and one which I suspect turns this further still away from relevancy.

    Another question still, is why they would go to countries where taxes on the rich are actually higher than they are here. Since most of them seem to have moved quite a while ago, I'm guessing many of them built their fortune elsewhere.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Well, sure... it just doesn't show that they're leaving for reasons that make it at all relevant to this thread.

    How many not-rich people are leaving is another question, and one which I suspect turns this further still away from relevancy.
    Don't know, but the not-rich are irrelevant to my point which was to show the rich leaving is not a myth. Sure to find out how many others are leaving would be good background information - as well as understanding why they would be leaving. Sorry to be so focused but if I wasn't, the point tends to get lost in the noise.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    This is sad... WTF is wrong with elected officials. Sure, we don't like taxes but we are willing to pay enough for our government to actually FUNCTION.


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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They're leaving for more than one reason surely - but they're still leaving. My response is this is NOT a myth. I also never claimed to only represent one issue or reason why they are leaving. They could be leaving for more reasons than the article gave outside of taxes, finances, or maybe even other issues. That does not detract from the fact, at a 1,000 foot view, they are leaving. Hence my point: it's not a myth.
    You're missing the point. They're not leaving. They have already left. The article states that they are renouncing their US citizenships because they have lived in another country and plan to stay there and no longer feel it's worth paying dual taxes to retain their citizenship.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    GOP's "let's strangle the schools to death and borrow more money" vs. Dayton's "maybe a couple thousand of the richest people in the state could spare a few more pennies?"

    This is what it really came down to. This was what the stalemate was over.

    Absolutely sickening.

    And Councilman, way to offer yet another short-term solution with serious long-term consequences due an inability to see any further into the future than next election season. Ideas like that are why we're ****ed in the first place. As a matter of fact, THAT idea in particular is one of the reasons we're ****ed.
    These guys were $billions in the hole, you really think the richest Minnisotans will be able to make that up?
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