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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I normally try not to take sides on these kinds of debates, but this time the Republicans were wrong. Taxing the richest Minnesotans just a little bit more would not have been devastating to Minnesota.
    Unless they decide to leave the state. Also the schools budget is over 40% of the states budget.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I'm not proposing they would. There was, of course, more to the budget plan than that. But that was the sticking point. That was the reason for the stalemate - that particular part of it.

    Ah, so we should continue to pile more and more of the tax burden on the poor out of fear the rich will pull... what? The campaign dollars from the politicians who are perpetuating this cycle? Go for it. On our current trajectory, we won't be taxing the rich at all in a few years anyway.
    This tax burden on the poor crap is just that, crap. Having been poor (in a state with state and city income tax) I can tell you first hand, there is no tax obligation for somebody near the poverty level. Anything paid in comes back, and then some. This is just hyperbolic nonsense designed to stir up a response.

    If you would like to provide proof of your claims, however, I'd be thoroughly stunned.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Oh, that's alright. Our roads are in great shape.
    And that was with the gov't fully functioning. Pretty much proves that we won't lose much shutting it down.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    This tax burden on the poor crap is just that, crap. Having been poor (in a state with state and city income tax) I can tell you first hand, there is no tax obligation for somebody near the poverty level. Anything paid in comes back, and then some. This is just hyperbolic nonsense designed to stir up a response.

    If you would like to provide proof of your claims, however, I'd be thoroughly stunned.
    That largely depends on where you live. I can likewise tell you the opposite was true in some places I lived. But that is the average.

    We're already starting to just look the other way when major corporations dodge around taxes. How long before we stop pretending we care and just get rid of their taxes all together? And who is that tax gap burden falling on? Before you tell me "the middle class," what do the middle class turn into when they run out of money?
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Taxing the rich is such an easy answer to every problem. It requires no critical thought. And only one little knee jerk reaction.
    No, what's easy is attacking those people who are politically incapable of defending themselves. It not only requires no critical thought, it historically goes against rationality and logic based on various events in our history. Unfortunately, it's not just a little knee jerk reaction, it's planned and organized as part of an overall agenda.

    The wealthy in this country possess nearly all the chips: money, wealth and influence. They control the media, they control the assets and they control a large portion of the government. So the idea that "taxing the rich is easy" is laughable. Yes, I know that "taxing the rich is such an easy answer" was your actual statement but it implies that the rich are just sitting there with no control whatsoever over their political options when the truth of the matter is far from the wealthy being a group of powerless victims with absolutely no say.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    IF it really bothers you go down to Lowes or Home Depot, buy some asphalt patch, grab a shovel and a few orange cones and get to work.
    His money would be paying for the roads anyway. Mine as well let him pay for it directly and contribute his labor. If everyone kept up the piece of road in front of their house at their own expense it would save the gov't billions.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    His money would be paying for the roads anyway. Mine as well let him pay for it directly and contribute his labor. If everyone kept up the piece of road in front of their house at their own expense it would save the gov't billions.
    That happens all the time now anyway... I pay for education out of my property taxes whether I use the public school system or not, whether I have kids or not.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    From your link:

    "Many of those leaving the U.S. behind have dual nationality and may not have lived in the country for years. Others have lived overseas for so long that America no longer feels like home"

    So you're trying to imply that someone would leave the US to go to a country like England or France in order to just AVOID paying higher taxes? Lol...
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Tax calculations for 1 person @ poverty level:


    Tac calculations for 1 person about that mysteriously determined 250k line:


    If either of them can claim any deduction, those numbers would change. Anybody wanna show me how that 68K+ amount is dropping down to $600 or less?
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    As I already said, I am talking about all-inclusive.

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