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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Did my post seem emotional? Can you explain the moral premise behind you having a greater claim to the wealth they generate through their efforts than they do?


    I do not believe that raising tax rates on the productive people has anything to do with the deficit. It has to do with getting even with them.


    If you prefer we can simply call them the productive. That should remove most liberals from the equation.


    Yes. Many of the acted their way to wealth, married into it, inherited it or made political hay. And a few even earned it.
    Earning a lot of money in the form of capital gains is far from being productive... You simply sit on your ass generate revenue because you own/inherited an asset. Assuming the wealthy are more productive than the poor is just simply flawed. Now I am not generalizing the wealthy and saying they are less productive as a whole, I am just pointing out that it is possible to generate a bunch of wealth while not being productive. It's possible to generate about 40,000 a year and work two to three jobs. I have seen it before. I have seen people who make 50,000 owe more in taxes than somebody who made 150,000 because they qualified for more deductions. Hell, just take a look at Kevin Federline... wtf did he do to make 50,000 a month...

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Ah the collective, comrade. We "collectively" purchase public sector labor union health care, retirements and inflated costs. Don't we comrade? And the rich must use more than the poor. But how? Do the rich use the roads more. More sewage? Are they not already paying way more than a reasonable person would be willing to pay?
    I can't believe I have to answer this question, but yes. The rich do use the roads more. My organization has four employees and use shipping once a year.

    Wal-Mart, on the other hand uses the roads a LOT more than our little organization does. And with large numbers of employees and customers, they use sewage systems A LOT more than our organization does.

    The rich travel more than the poor do, thus using the infrastructure more. Depending on the city, the poor and middle class are much more likely to use in public transportation, which per person, uses much less of the infrastructure than someone who drives his hummer in from the suburbs every day to work.

    Of course, all of that should be obvious.

    And no, the rich aren't paying too much. We have the third lowest tax to GDP ratio among OECD nations behind only Mexico and Chile - two other nations with massive income inequality.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Yep. I am fine with a compromise as long as it ends public sector unions, raises now taxes and puts in significant cuts in government spending.

    You're fine with compromise as long as everyone else does the compromising, then.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Sorrow.

    Vandals trash closed state parks | StarTribune.com

    Vandals went wild at abandoned Minnesota state parks over the holiday weekend, wrecking buildings and driving around closed gates as the government shutdown drags toward its second week.

    The most serious damage was at Afton State Park, east of the Twin Cities, where 12 people were taken into custody after a burglary and vandalism spree at three buildings before dawn on Monday, Washington County Sheriff Bill Hutton said Tuesday.

    Vandals also hit dozens of other state properties in Minnesota, said Jim Konrad, head of enforcement for the Department of Natural Resources (DNR).

    "This is just exactly the type of thing we're going to be seeing repeatedly as the shutdown goes forward," said Steve Morse, former lawmaker and DNR deputy commissioner who is now executive director of the Minnesota Environmental Partnership. "It shows once again how difficult it is to extricate the state from our lives, and the problems that are going to come to light once something like this happens."

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    What I've learned from Republicans:

    1) Raising taxes is bad
    2) Reducing taxes is good
    3) Reducing taxes increases revenues
    4) Reducing taxes improves the economy

    So, there's one of two possibilities:
    1) The above statements always hold true.
    2) The above statements do not always hold true.

    If it's 1, we should keep reducing taxes until they're at 1% or less, right?
    If it's 2, maybe there's a point at which reducing taxes further simply leaves the government unable to perform basic functions.
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What I've learned from Republicans:

    1) Raising taxes is bad
    2) Reducing taxes is good
    3) Reducing taxes increases revenues
    4) Reducing taxes improves the economy

    So, there's one of two possibilities:
    1) The above statements always hold true.
    2) The above statements do not always hold true.

    If it's 1, we should keep reducing taxes until they're at 1% or less, right?
    If it's 2, maybe there's a point at which reducing taxes further simply leaves the government unable to perform basic functions.
    Depends on what you think are Basic Functions...

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Zellers: 'Things went backwards' | StarTribune.com

    Nearly a week into Minnesota's government shutdown, budget talks blew up Wednesday, with DFL Gov. Mark Dayton accusing Republicans of untruths and Republicans visibly upset that Dayton still insists on raising taxes.

    "No more 'cones of silence.' No more private meetings," Dayton said after the last meeting. "I'm tired of having this stuff come out very differently from how it's transpired."
    I'm glad! Not that it's ongoing, but that he's taken a stand. I'm sorry my state is shut down, but they are there to serve the people, not the very few at the top.

    On the steps of the Capitol, state workers gathered in the hot sun to keep pressure on Republicans.

    Wednesday's rally took up a familiar theme: taxing the state's wealthiest residents to help solve the deficit. One man held a sign that took his frustration a step further -- he had changed it from "Tax the Rich" to "Eat the Rich."

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    "We stand at a point in this state's history of either standing strong for the common good or allowing extreme special interests with a radical social agenda to destroy our middle class," Jim Monroe, executive director of the Minnesota Association of Professional Employees, told the crowd.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    What I've learned from Republicans:

    1) Raising taxes is bad
    2) Reducing taxes is good
    3) Reducing taxes increases revenues
    4) Reducing taxes improves the economy

    So, there's one of two possibilities:
    1) The above statements always hold true.
    2) The above statements do not always hold true.

    If it's 1, we should keep reducing taxes until they're at 1% or less, right?
    If it's 2, maybe there's a point at which reducing taxes further simply leaves the government unable to perform basic functions.
    Um, try looking up Laffer Curve Deuce. Republicans have a mathematical model for why tax rates should remain low. You are either uneducated about that which you claim to have learned or you are disingenuous in your claims.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

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