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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    GOP's "let's strangle the schools to death and borrow more money" vs. Dayton's "maybe a couple thousand of the richest people in the state could spare a few more pennies?"

    This is what it really came down to. This was what the stalemate was over.

    Absolutely sickening.

    And Councilman, way to offer yet another short-term solution with serious long-term consequences due an inability to see any further into the future than next election season. Ideas like that are why we're ****ed in the first place. As a matter of fact, THAT idea in particular is one of the reasons we're ****ed.
    Im all for wiping any and all State unions out. They are making too much money. Im ALSO for wiping out any and all tax breaks for the top 25% wealthiest citizens and actually increasing their taxes.


    Here.... just watch this guy: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43608137...more_politics/
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    How much time did you spend practicing being straight today?
    I was quoting Jack Lemmon's character in Mister Roberts .

    How much thought did you give to that reply?

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    I was quoting Jack Lemmon's character in Mister Roberts .

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    LOL... I was just joking with you in general cause you're always posting in the sexuality debate threads

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

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    I've always been of the belief, as long as the boat's rocking capsize the son of a gun and let's see who can swim.
    In the boats I've been in it's the ones rocking the boat that can swim. I've done it when I want to drown or rescue the others or just hear them cry.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    LOL... I was just joking with you in general cause you're always posting in the sexuality debate threads
    Oh. That.

    My psychoanalyst tells me I need to argue against my natural beliefs in order to make me less rigid in my outlook.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    Do you have any idea what infrastructure alone costs? No private entity is willing to take that on, nor should they - they'd do a terrible job. That's why government always does it, no matter where you go.
    Huh? The government always does it? LOL - this has NEVER been the case and certainly isn't the case now. The vast majority of critical infrastructure in this country is actually **privately** owned and operated... refineries, power plants, telecommunications, rail lines...

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Huh? The government always does it? LOL - this has NEVER been the case and certainly isn't the case now. The vast majority of critical infrastructure in this country is actually **privately** owned and operated... refineries, power plants, telecommunications, rail lines...
    I thought infrastructures were highways.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    MistressNomad;1059612413]Me? Has nothing to do with me. Has to do with the fact that we pay taxes because we are collectively purchasing things we use, like infrastructure. The rich use a lot more of that than the poor. How do you think people get rich? They have to have access to resources, ways to get around this huge country, an infrastructure for carrying their ads, etc. They use more of that stuff. A lot more. It is not unreasonable to ask them to pay a bit more.

    You're being beyond paranoid and your assertion is ridiculous. I sure as hell don't want your money, if it will turn me into someone like you. But pay for what you use.
    But you have the same access to these things as the rich do, so isn't it more to the point that you pull your weight just as the rich do ? Or do you feel that because someone settles for a smaller income and uses the things that government has placed for all people to use, has less responsibility for having such infrastructure in place ?? I guess then you feel that those people without children shouldn't have to pay any school taxes right .. because they don't use that resource. Or that only families of people that are in jail should have to pay for the jails … because those that never get arrested don't use those resources do they ? Those that do well for themselves should be able to demand that none of their money be used for welfare .. because they will never use it. I could go on and on .. but what is the use .. the simple fact is liberals just believe they are entitled
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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Imagine if America didn't enter WWII, do you think uranium production would have been a profitable adventure before the fuel crisis? If modern war production didn't demand steel, engineering, and iron ore then that would mean less demand for such natural and human resources... which would mean those resources would be less valuable and owning such resources would mean you'd be less wealthy.
    These seem like good examples of ways in which government DOESN'T create wealth. Isn't this just taking money from a bunch of people (taxpayers) and handing it to a smaller number of people (companies that extract raw resources)? To that end, it helps to secure an environment where wealth creation can take place, but doesn't itself create wealth.

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    Re: Minn. braces for shutdown at midnight; Democratic gov and GOP lawmakers at odds o

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    But you have the same access to these things as the rich do, so isn't it more to the point that you pull your weight just as the rich do ? Or do you feel that because someone settles for a smaller income and uses the things that government has placed for all people to use, has less responsibility for having such infrastructure in place ?? I guess then you feel that those people without children shouldn't have to pay any school taxes right .. because they don't use that resource. Or that only families of people that are in jail should have to pay for the jails … because those that never get arrested don't use those resources do they ? Those that do well for themselves should be able to demand that none of their money be used for welfare .. because they will never use it. I could go on and on .. but what is the use .. the simple fact is liberals just believe they are entitled
    Huh?

    I pay my taxes like anyone else. I actually pay more taxes in the US than I did in NZ, a country which has public health care. And I use a pretty small amount considering my lifestyle. I would say I certainly pay for more than what I use. And like I said, that's ok with me. I've never said I have less responsibility. I don't know where that's coming from.

    I am what I would call militantly childfree. And I have no problem at all paying taxes for public education. Just because I don't have, and never will have any kids doesn't mean I think it's ok to screw kids in general.

    What the hell are you talking about?

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